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Now a hit Netflix show!


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I actually love what they’ve done so far with vampires so far we see a lot of the traditional vampire tropes but in a modern way that feels quirky enough to be on brand for the Wednesday series.

So far we know that have some kind of reaction to the sun as they likely wear spf 1000 and wear heavy duty sunglasses to protect their eyes during the daytime and they seem to be allergic to garlic the same way anyone with a food allergy would react.

But there are some things that need to be properly addressed such as whether or not they are considered to be dead or alive or some mixture of the two?

So far it seem that vampires in the series might actually be living beings seeing as how on the fandom there is some yearbook picture quote released by the creators of yoko making a joke about living for 300 more years.

That and the fact that yokos parents showed up for parents weekend and appeared to be middle aged leads me to believe that they are likely living beings. Albeit long lived ones.

But there is also the matter of their diet that needs to be settled.

So far i dont think its been confirmed whether or not that they need blood to survive.

Its would appear since yoko ate garlic bread that she likely eats other types of food as well which id interesting to see in vampires and adds to the fact that vampire are likely to be considered living in this series.

Like do they need blood? And if they do can they survive off animal blood the way they do in the vampire diaries, and twilight? I don’t even think ive seen a pair of vampire fangs yet tbh.

There is also the question about how vampires multiply. Since the actors that played yokos parents seemed to share a strong resemblance to the one playing yoko is likely that the creators want the audience to believe that vampires procreate in a manner similar to human. Which is yet ANOTHER reason to think they are living being which is something you don’t see in many vampire series.

Given how real world sociological issues are constantly brought into how normies view outcasts i can see it being said that a vampire biting a human doesn’t actually turn someone into a vampire and its just something normies came up with im their hateful ignorance.

I can also see it being like a blood transference thing. Like maybe its inheritable and someone can become a vampire by blood transfusion which could be a reason why people would look at them with revulsion and keep away from them. This would somewhat what people with aids in the real world go through.

Also we need to know if there are any other sub types of vampire. Like i want to know if dhampirs are a thing and if different families have different abilities. Or if there are some vampires that are considered to be good/alive and evil/ dead like the ones im the vampire academy.

And we have yet too see any actual vampire abilities be put into effect yet. I guess it would be cool if they had th traditional vampire powers like heightened sense and enhanced speed and strength. However I think it would also be funny and fit in really well with the universe if they could also have some of the more cheesy vampire powers like levitation, shadow manipulation and maybe even the ability to turn into a bat.

Anyways what are yall’s thoughts regarding vampires in the series? Do you tbh ink they are going to be alive of dead? What kind of powers do you think we are likely to see? And how do you think they originated?

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By: u/Either_Storm_6932

(FUN FACT: The director of the original two Addams Family movies, Barry Sonnenfeld, directed the MIB Trilogy)

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By: u/Desperate_Dino17

There seems to be a reoccurring theme of the promotions of this season being anti-normie.

Wasn’t THE (if not one of the) themes of s1 the segregation of normies and outcasts and how it is inherently a bad thing?

How do they expect us to feel about Lucas, the mayor, dr kinbott or even donovan?

Not all outcasts are good either (obviously).

For this reason I think it is almost certain that the new principal will be this season’s villain.

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By: u/WondererOutlaw

What if she can wolf out anytime she wants to and not just on a full moon????

She was a late bloomer and it happened on a special full moon!!!!

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By: u/Ok_Length4206

Apparently they are called da vinci’s.

Like, are they just super smart, or something?

Does anyone have any ideas?

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By: u/AipomSilver00

Sauce: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DLcvaKssPDw/

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By: u/AipomSilver00

Rewatching the Wednesday series once again, this thought came to mind, or rather a flow of thoughts xd.

It's no secret that the romantic side of the series has been heavily criticized, in particular the triangle is practically hated by everyone.

Here that same triangle that was shown in the series is harmful in my opinion, the result of a widespread trend in young adult fiction, where the female protagonist is constructed not as an autonomous subject, but as an object of desire.

Sometimes this takes the most direct and stereotypical form, precisely the love triangle.

Apparently it is a romantic expedient, but in practice it is often a narrative and symbolic cage, a way in which the authors end up subordinating the inner growth of a certain girl protagonist to the sentimental validation of two men who compete for her, and this is not only tiring to read and watch: it is also deeply misogynistic.

Wednesday, which on paper had all the potential to offer an alternative figure, instead shows — almost by automatic reflex — that it too ended up trapped in the most abused formula of romantic narrative.

The Xavier–Tyler–Wednesday triangle, a structure that not only does not serve the plot, but that undermines the integrity of the character of Wednesday itself.

And Wednesday is not alone in this discomfort.

These same dynamics (which go from the questionable to the most rotten toxic) are repeated in Twilight, where Bella Swan is fought over by Edward and Jacob.

The faces change, but the mechanism is always the same: the girl is worth as much as two men desire her.

The Netflix series presents us with a charismatic Wednesday Addams, emotionally reserved, independent, with a strong identity and not oriented towards pleasing others.

But then, during the season, she is dragged into a relationship with Tyler, a character who, from the first scenes, shows strange behaviors, red flags in fact: he is intrusive, manipulative, reticent.

The viewer is led to "ship" them even though it is clear that Wednesday does not really reciprocate completely.

The kiss between them is devoid of emotional tension, and seems to serve more to create a narrative shock ("Oh no, Tyler is the hyde!") than to develop an authentic bond.

In fact, there is very little authenticity when both Tyler and Thing himself forced the relationship.

(There's also the whole issue of Tyler never really wanting to help Wednesday when he was being himself, but just trying to distract her, season 2 has a lot of answers to give us on that.)

The problem is that the series plays on ambiguity for a long time, romanticising attitudes that in other contexts would (rightly) be considered red flags.

Oh and remember, just because Wednesday is weird, it doesn't mean that the suitor has the right to behave with actions bordering on the red flag.

The viewer is almost tempted to think that maybe there is something good in Tyler, that Wednesday should let herself go, that she is just “resisting” her feelings.

It's the same old story dressed up as something new: love creeping in, even when you don't want it.

And if you say no, it's because you're “afraid” to love.

The truth?

No, she just doesn't want to and that's okay.

Wednesday had every right to refuse Tyler's advances

[or even to go to Rave'n with him in general, Tyler could imagine that the letter sent by Thing was not written by Wednesday and when he shows up at the door of the room, he understands that in fact it is so, but he stays there, he does not change his mind because he wants to insist, in that context the series tells us that it is Wednesday who is in the wrong and refuses the boy's courtship]

Then there is Xavier, presented as the "healthier" alternative, but who turns out to be another problematic archetype: a mix between the "nice guy" and the weird "guy" who, despite the refusals, continues to insist.

The final episode, with the scene of the phone given to the protagonist in the finale is emblematic: Wednesday has repeatedly declared that she doesn't want it, yet Xavier still imposes his presence on her, his number already saved, as if to say: "You like me, so you should change."

But it’s anything but neutral, Wednesday, up until that point, has clearly said that she doesn’t want a phone, Xavier forces it on her anyway, an implicit invitation to change, to “stay in touch,” to not forget him.

It seems kind, but in reality it’s a form of pressure disguised as a gift.

A gesture that, if you turn it around, becomes: “I know you don’t want this, but I’ll give it to you anyway, because I want you to change your mind.”

Like Tyler, Xavier also thinks that if he persists, maybe he can get his "payment" back.

Both boys, in different ways, try to bend Wednesday to a sentimental norm that doesn't belong to her.

The problem, therefore, is not only the triangle itself, but the idea that such a nonconformist girl must still "redeem" herself through extremely bland heterosexual love.

Or worse: being used as an accessory in the growth of others, while her identity is watered down.

In fact, the similarities with Twilight can be found.

In Meyer's work, the love conflict between Bella, Edward and Jacob is not configured as a simple choice between two loves, but as a field of tensions in which the protagonist's identity and autonomy are progressively eroded.

Bella becomes more and more passive.

Edward represents the archetype of the absolute partner: mysterious, idealized, morally tormented and possessive.

Jacob, on the other hand, embodies the earthly protector, the alternative refuge that nevertheless never ceases to constitute an instrumentalized counterpart in the narration of "true love" between Bella and Edward.

Both males act on Bella not only as a loving subject, but also as an object to be contested, protected or reclaimed.

The protagonist often appears devoid of agency, suspended between two poles that define her by opposition.

Particularly revealing is the narrative arc of New Moon, where Edward's absence leads Bella to a state of extreme depression, visually represented in the film by months that pass in front of the window while she remains immobile.

Her identity appears fragile and incomplete without the presence of the other, suggesting a model of love that is not based on the encounter between two autonomous subjects, but on fusion and emotional dependence.

Edward himself, although presented as a positive figure, exercises constant control over Bella: he follows her, observes her, decides when to move away "for her own good", and returns with the expectation of being welcomed unconditionally.

This behavior, far from representing a mature love, reflects characteristics of manipulative and symbiotic relationships.

The heart of the toxicity of the triangle in both works lies in the fact that the female protagonist, rather than being an active subject who explores her own desires, becomes the target of male projections.

In Wednesday, as in Twilight, the love triangle functions not as a space of choice, but as a tension between two male models that try to “define” the protagonist, where the woman must follow one of the two to show that she is someone: the boy with a troubled past, even becoming a murderer (Tyler) and the one who protects her but expects something in return (Xavier who has a lot in common with Jacob).

In both cases, the girl's identity bends to the narrative function of the love triangle: the construction of her personality is slowed down, interrupted or subordinated to emotional dynamics.

And this is particularly problematic in Wednesday, because the character, as it has been historically conceived, represents total independence from traditional romantic and affective norms, making her “give in” to this type of love interest, even partially, contradicts her nature and sends the message that no girl, not even the strongest, can truly exist outside of male desire.

I won't lie though, in Twilight the situation is obviously much worse, but even in the Netflix series the triangle issue is rendered a bit badly and is also degrading towards Wednesday.

Without this love triangle, the Wednesday series would have had a more linear narrative, more cohesive, more faithful to its own tone.

It could have explored the themes of identity, friendship, trauma and diversity in greater depth.

Enid would not have had the rushed subplot involving her mother, Tyler could have had more space to prove himself an interesting character (instead, he shows potential outside the love triangle and is more interesting in his drama with his father and his Hyde nature), the ending would not have been anticlimactic and rushed, etc.

Even Xavier could have been an interesting character, but instead, because of the love triangle, his only function is to be a red flag about who Hyde might be.

Let me be clear, if you appreciate these ships you are not problematic in and of yourself, I simply wanted to write a thought on the most criticized element of the series and luckily Jenna pushed to remove both the triangle and the romantic element.

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I think the villain will be an entirely new character IMO.

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Dr. Jekyll is not really responsible because he did not commit Hyde's crimes, but he still decided to let it to fester while being aware of the dangers and his other side, which he had created.

In any event, Dr. Jekyll should accept responsibility for his failure to control his evil tendencies while others suffered since he is guilty by association.

Using the medicine he used to stifle his evil impulses, Dr. Jekyll built a mental and physical personality from them.


For instance, Hyde freely made the potion to split his two identities and returned to Dr. Jekyll without any trouble.

He stopped taking the potion for a while after experiencing relapses, but he later started taking it again, and Hyde killed an old man in Chapter 10.

This indicates that Hyde is the product of a botched experiment by Dr. Jekyll.

In addition, he kept changing without restraint until problems emerged, and after learning about them, he repeated the action, which resulted in a death, Hyde is the immediate result of Jekyll's activities, even if it is argued that he is not at responsible because it was Hyde and not Jekyll, which is somewhat accurate.


Could it be possible that Tyler is complicit in this way?

I say this specifically because he himself admits to ‘acquiring more and more memories of what he was doing,’ as if he knew nothing before, but then embraced that dark side.

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I don’t get it, Laurel said she needed a direct descendant, which means Pugsley would’ve been just as viable and a very easy target and gomez would’ve been even more viable because he is even biologically closer than his kids.

Keeping Wednesday alive only made things tremendously more difficult, she was absolutely hellbent on uncovering what was going on-a fact that both Laurel and Tyler knew very well.

I don’t see how it could have had anything to do with Tyler WANTING to spare Wednesday as she was being used and getting killed in the end anyway, and it would ruin the point of the power dynamic over him, although there is a small theory on this point-Maybe AFTER She had Tyler’s hyde unlocked, a few weeks or so down the line he gained some small level of self control and Laurel had to bargain with him in self preservation? And that Tyler was hoodwinked into believing that after he left when Laurel sent him away she would survive?

It also could be a sign of instanity from Laurel, that she was so consumed by revenge that it had to be Wednesday because of her persistence and resemblance of Goody?

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I saw the one promo video of Principal Barry Dort (Steve Buscemi) and he was trash talking Weems and her “mistakes” that she made during her time as principal.

I have to disagree.

I loved her as a principal. She was professional and smart.

She didn’t trust Wednesday because Wednesday was (for most of the show) a 15 year old vigilante with a terrible track record.

I do understand a little bit why she was annoying. She led Wednesday to certain death and ignored and gaslit her. But it seems a little odd why the new principal’s mission is to be better than her.

The reason why I ask this is because I thought everyone was on the same page as me. Maybe his character is meant to be a villain almost…? Idk. It just seems weird.

What are your thoughts on the first performance we’ve seen?

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I wanna see Debbie in Wednesday with Fester being the crazy uncle- aunt duo.

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Forgive me for this because I know it's long and frankly quite a reach. First and foremost, I am aware that this is just a TV show, and as such, not every detail will be correct. I don't have friends to discuss this with, so unfortunately, everyone here is subjected to my ramblings. Someone could probably write a solid fanfiction with this information, though, so...

But, as someone whose grandma was something of a plant aficionado, I had a conversation with her about nightshade shortly before she passed, which I didn't take too seriously at the time because she had severe dementia and often didn't know who she was, let alone anything else. But with the coming of the new season, I revisited what she said, and she was entirely right. The short point I'm trying to make is twofold. First of all, I'm not convinced Weems is dead. Given creative license, it's possible she could shapeshift into an animal, and some animals can metabolise nightshade, such as cattle and some birds. So, as an act of self-preservation, it's feasible that Weems faked being dead somehow, waited until she was alone and then shifted. The outcome is everyone thinking she's dead when, in reality, she may be slowly metabolising and recovering. Alternatively, it wasn't nightshade, but a different compound derived from plants, meaning again that it may have been survivable.

Now, for the reason I mention my grandma. The inconsistencies and incorrect representation of nightshade poisoning. Much like we see in Garrett's death, either form of nightshade would not kill immediately, although in both cases, the timeline has been sped up, probably for the sake of TV, which I'll say again, I understand. Also, Weems' death seems much quicker, which is unlikely given that she is probably of a similar height to Garrett. The symptoms that are seen or mentioned are also not symptomatic of nightshade. Foaming at the mouth is not a symptom of nightshade; actually, it should be quite the opposite, as Atropa Belladonna in particular causes dry mouth. The blue tinge that Garrett has is likely cyanosis, caused by a lack of oxygen. While solanine, one of the toxins of the Belladonna family, can slow respiration in high enough doses, we don't know for certain if this is the toxin that was used. Atropine, from Atropa Belladonna, causes a racing heart, and while it's possible in a long timeline, in the short timeline we see, it wouldn't cause that blue tinge. It's also mentioned that Garrett's body is well preserved due to the nightshade poisoning. This just doesn't happen. Atropine and solanine both affect the nervous system, not cellular decay.

No naturally occurring plant compound ticks off the main symptoms we see: quick death, cyanosis, foaming at the mouth and preservation of a corpse. It's possible that a selection of compounds blended could cause these multiple of these symptoms, though, and since it's safe to assume that the compound Garrett had and the one Marilyn/Laurel made were from the same recipe (I can't think of a better word), it's possible that Weems' could have shapeshifted into something that survived. The only symptom that can't directly be attributed to a plant compound is the preservation of the corpse; however, resins like crushed pine or cedar, alongside terpenoids like myrrh, were used for preservation and mummification by Ancient Egyptians, and as such, the inclusion of these could preserve a body

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I’m a big fan of Luis, I’ve seen about 10 movies with him in it. But why does he sound like he has fake teeth in or something that gives him a lisp and has him pronouncing things oddly. Especially when in most of his other movies he speaks clear English with out issue.

But in Wednesday his lisp for some words is so distracting. Is this just some part of the character? Does he now speak like this in his older age in real life? Did something happen to him?

Anyone know why he speaks like this in the show?

If you need an example, watch a clip of him from Waiting the movie, then watch him in Wednesday. His speech is entirely different. Again almost like he has cheap fake teeth that’s not allowing him to speak clearly and seal his mouth for some words.

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I strongly believe that the Hydes as a species is not nature’s work but the result of an attempt at weaponizing humans and turning them into outcasts.

I see both similarities to humans, gorillas and wolves if not werewolves. An Hyde clearly needs it’s longer arms to move efficiently so it’s arguably quadrupedal and yet they still have hands and not feet and their arms retain the flexibility of human arms. Their legs on the other hand look vaguely like a mix between human legs and the limbs of a werewolf. Not even mentioning it’s huge back and their obviously incredible upper body strength but despite having a powerful upper body, long arms and even longer claws it never at ANY point tried climbing anything.

The Hyde is built like something that was intended to be a super predator but stopped and failed halfway through. Adding to that their apparently genetic aggressiveness, need for a master and even the name of their species.

All signs points towards a creature that was made by the hands of not nature but Men.

Keep in mind that this is the work of the overactive imagination of a young adult who loves fantastical transforming monsters and not an expert on animal behavior or biology.

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And I always want to remind you that if you are homophobic, you are also doing a disservice to our beloved Hunter Doohan (Tyler Galpin)

The artist of the 2 pics: Kris6758 & axuuuuumii

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So I noticed some details about Enid that leads me to believe she might be pansexual, and is a metaphor for coming out.

Firstly, she mentioned to her mother at one point that she’ll “come out when she comes out” (Idk if it’s the exact words, but it sounded something like that).

Her mother isn’t that accepting of her, but her father is, and treats her with respect.

Also not to mention the pink, yellow/blonde, and blue hair representing the pansexual flag.

Maybe I’m wrong, but It’s just something I noticed. :)

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Did she need to have a full blood moon in order to wolf out?

How was she able to wolf out at the convenient time?

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