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I'd like to think they're all just Russian trolls but increasingly, I think some people are just selfish or dumb.
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this post was submitted on 24 Oct 2024
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It's almost like the current and immediate conflict between Israel and Palestinians isn't the singular thing that the world should have serious concern about, and that realistic solutions to longstanding international diplomacy issues are - wait for it - hard.
But hard things are hard and involve complexity and nuance! I'd much rather call people racist, spout a simplistic solution and call it a day.
You forgot to smugly pat yourself on the back!
Nuh uh!
It's a genocide not a "conflict." An ongoing genocide is the number one thing I will care about and you don't get to decide I shouldn't care about it
So you're gonna make sure that the guy who told Netanyahu "Do what you need to do" doesn't get into office, right?
Just making sure you call it what it is, it's not a conflict, it's a genocide
You're right, we should definitely end all trade with China.
Ongoing genocide is at the top of my "what I'm concerned about" list. If it isn't for you, maybe you should reflect on that a little
Some people think an administration and a party that out right lies about a genocide happening care about them. If someone in a position of power, not only ignore but also support clear evidence of genocide and keep repeating statement that means nothing, they are either agent for a foreign country "AIPAC" or they are in it for themselves and have zero care for poor people.
Don't forget CUFI, it's actually bigger and more powerful than AIPAC but doesn't get as much attention. Christian Zionists are insane psychopaths hell bent on destroying the world (literally)
Which one?
Or is it only what Israel is doing, and only your concern because you can use it as propaganda to tweak the 2024 presidential election in the US?
The one that is made possible by my tax dollars
So definitely China, then, because it's super impossible for you to avoid products made there and exported to the US.
And fuck those people being genocided where your tax dollars aren't going, amirite?
Isn't that what you're saying? Except for all of them including Palestinians?
Getting back to the point, why aren't you raging about Chinese genocide?
I'll ask again: Which one(s)?
The one my government is aiding and defending regularly
Still on the tax dollars thing then? As long as it's not coming out of your pocket, it's whatever. (Except China, of course.)
Again, how is that different from your position?
If it isn't different, then you're just as shit as you're accusing me of being.
I said
Why are you escalating this to insults?
Because your self-righteous claim to have "ongoing genocide ... at the top of [your] 'what I'm concerned about' list" is hollow and smug. Your only concern seems to be turning people off of one very specific candidate, as though the other realistic alternative would be better for your stated anti-genocide cause. (Pro tip: It'll be worse.)
You are espousing fascism, wittingly or not.
I'll be over here being non-fascist.
The classic non-fascist position of telling people to stop being so concerned about genocide
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/15/biden-israel-weapons-policy-00158210
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4669080-house-passes-bill-undo-bidens-weapons-freeze-to-israel/
Ah, House Republicans passed a bill to "undo Biden's weapons freeze to Israel," but I don't think it did anything in the Senate.
I've said elsewhere, we have FPTP and the electoral college. This makes for a two party system, with the scales tipped in favor of the right.
This is a binary choice. Either Harris will win, or Trump will win. Failing to vote for the one you hate least is essentially the same as putting the one you hate most into office.
This isn't fair, it's fact. It shouldn't be this way, but it is. If you want it to be different, then we need ranked choice voting, and a few more states need to get on the NPVIC. If you want it to be different, which administration do you think will allow you to campaign for those changes? If you want to end genocide, which administration do you have any chance of doing that with?
You may not remember, but politics in the US hasn't been this weird in my lifetime, and I'm old. But you know what? You're in California, Louisiana, Illinois, Utah? -- you vote however you want. Ain't gonna make a difference; those states and plenty of others are on lock. PA, MI, WI, NC, GA, AZ, NV: voters in those states are going to make the difference this time.
Oh yeah, did you also know that the arms deals from the US to Israel are an ongoing thing, for a long, long time, passed by Congress? And that the president has limited ability to do anything about them? And that Biden wanted to pause at least one of those shipments? And that House Republicans didn't let him? (I'll find a source on this in a bit.)
That whole thing isn't something that a president can just wave a magic wand and change on a whim, I mean, unless the president is a fascist, but that's a hell of a dice roll.
Being really concerned about my government providing the means for genocide and publicly defending the genocidal state on a regular basis is not complicated and doesn't require a wall of text.
I don't care about the dissertation you wrote. I'm mad about thousands of babies being slaughtered. If you can't understand that maybe you should reflect a little
If you can't be bothered to read, then why are you here?
(Was that short enough, or do I need to make it shorter?)
You aren't going to change their opinion, especially not by being condescending.
Is this just performative or are you actually upset?
Biden bypassed congress to send more weapons than what congress approved.
There are numerous laws already in place that make these arms shipments illegal, including the Leahy Law, the Arms Control Export Act, and the U.S. War Crimes Act. Biden has failed to enforce any of them, because he's a lifelong diehard Zionist who's fully supportive of what's happening there.
You are spreading misinformation, whether knowingly or unknowingly.
Ukraine, actually.
The US is actively, ongoing, and directly funding and supporting the genocide of the Palestinians
Who is North Korea even meant to be genociding?
I'm gonna venture a guess that the US could more easily stop Israel's genocide than any of the others on the list. Like your source's recommendation for how to address whatever's allegedly happening in North Korea is to go in and overthrow the government, like we did in Iraq. Seems just a little bit harder than making arms shipments conditional.
Their own citizens, I'd assume
I'd ask whether there's even a shred of evidence that North Koreans are genociding themselves, but I'm not sure if this is another one of those situations where examining evidence is a bannable offense.
Ongoing genocide isn't at the top of drag's priority list. The top of drag's list is the imminent omnicide due to climate change. Drag thinks omnicide is a bigger deal than genocide.