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I believe in socialism, but I feel Stalin shouldn't be idolised due to things like the Gulag.

I would like more people to become socialist, but I feel not condemning Stalin doesn't help the cause.

I've tried to have a constructieve conversation about this, but I basically get angry comments calling me stupid for believing he did atrocious things.

That's not how you win someone over.

I struggle to believe the Gulag etc. Never happened, and if it happened I firmly believe Stalin should be condemned.

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[–] [email protected] -5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

You are factually incorrect in the very first statement. "Gulag" means "главное управление исправительно-трудовых лагерей" and is a name of a state agency directly operating a network of concentration/forced labor camps. Each of the camps had their name, control and command structures and operated under direct oversight of some best Stalin's chaps.

Also, it wasn't just 'prison'. Each of them was a concentration camp for politically it otherwise unsound elements, that provided Stalin with supply of free slave labor.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'll direct you to @[email protected] in his comment here going over the Soviet prison system, along with myth-dispelling surrounding the Soviet prison labor system.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

Also, it wasn’t just ‘prison’. Each of them was a concentration camp for politically it otherwise unsound elements

"It wasn't a prison! It was [definition of prison]"