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This section is so insane. Its shows how well republicans are able to completely rewrite history through propaganda. Biden stuttered a few times in a 1hr+ debate and answered every question intelligently but he fucked up his words on one question. Trump couldnt answer a single question and proved he had no idea what a tariff was or how tax works. But Trump got a single favourable soundbite so I guess he dominated???
You can't keep letting the right get away with narrative shifting like this. Even if Trump had done nothing the right would be online posting that he had the greatest performance of all time. Support your damn candidate if you want to win.
I watched the debate and your take is so far from reality it's a joke.
We watched a senile old man say he killed medicare. These were not stutters or missteps. This was serious mental decline on exhibit for over an hour.
As much as I dislike Trump, Biden is simply unfit mentally, right now this moment end of story.
I watched Biden answer question after question giving a policy example of what his party had done on that issue and acknowledge that even though there was more work to be done he was working on doing it then he would give the policy example that he was working on.
I then watched trump ignore every single question ramble about immigrants eating dogs, make up hyperbolic statements he thought might sound good to his audience. In the context of the discussion he made no sense.
You can point to that one question but you need to remember Biden answered the question intelligently and the stutter you are talking about was 10seconds in an hour long debate.
Please read just a tiny bit of this and tell me you still stand behind your comment. https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/27/politics/read-biden-trump-debate-rush-transcript/index.html
For my sanity.
During the debate Biden looked like the resident of an old folks home who walked down the wrong hallway and can't find his way back to the common room.
Everyone who watched the debate saw that. It was a DISASTER for him.
During the debate Biden stuttered a few times(as he has done throughout his life) and misspoke once. Meanwhile Trump rambled incoherently and made up random shit. I don't think Trump made a single true statement that entire debate.
Are you really telling me that you watch a presidential debate and you don't even slightly consider what each candidate is saying? I thought people on lemmy would be a little more intelligent than that.
Dont take what I'm saying as me trying to convince you that Biden was a youthful spirit. I'm only pointing out that Trump is a moron who is able to dodge all criticism and even an 80+ year old Biden is still far above him mentally if you listen to his answers.
It's more about what Biden didn't say than what he said, and as I pointed out in the megapost at the time, he looked like a lost little boy who walked into the wrong room.
The killer bit was AFTER the debate, the post show, he was energized and articulate, a performance completely missing from the debate itself, which shows the lie of "well, he had a cold, he was tired" etc. etc. He was fine AFTER the debate, where was THAT Biden?
Here's what I'm talking about specifically, the look of a slack jawed dementia patient.
https://www.youtube.com/live/qqG96G8YdcE#t=12m8s
He lost the debate 12 minutes in.
Then you compare that to the Joe who showed up AFTER:
https://youtu.be/6js_ICtFtLA
It's a night and day difference.
Why do people hold Biden to such a high standard when the guy next to him is a complete moron. I'm not going to shit on Biden because he didn't live up to this idea in my head. If he makes a better case than the other guy that's enough. From the debate I think he walked circles around trump on every single issue.
Debates aren't entirely about issues, it's about appearances. We learned that in 1960 with the first televised debate between Kennedy and Nixon. The people who heard it on the radio were convinced Nixon won. The people who watched it on television thought Nixon came across shifty, sweaty, and deceitful, handing it to Kennedy.
https://www.cla.purdue.edu/academic/history/debate/kennedynixon/kennedynixonscholarly.html
Largely because Nixon refused the makeup required for television. Nixon lost the election.
If you appear weak, you are weak, and the inverse is equally true. Trump is /r/confidentlywrong personified, but all the people care about is the confident part, not the wrong part
I know that and I never said or implied they were entirely about issues. Im just trying to find out why so many people who seem more intelligent than the average person ended up judging the debate of rhetoric with zero regard for each candiates answers.
Biden overestimated the american population and should have just called Trump a fat cunt every time he was asked a question.
"Short fingered vulgarian". LOL. Would have gone a long way.
It's not right wing narrative. After I watched the debate I was pissed and felt like the Biden administration had hid the fact that Biden isn't in a condition to be president because that's what happened.
Trump didn't have any coherent answers but you could at least hear him
What question do you think Biden answered worse than trump? Also do you think that Trump is mentally health?
I literally called it the night of the debate that they were going to overreact to him being sick, and not even talk about the multiple lies that Trump told. Sure enough within a week, he was stepping down.
Trump lies every time he speaks, it's the expectation and he met it. That's not news. Biden showed up looking like he was on death's door when he hadn't before, that is news.
We finally beat Medicare.
Golfing in Afghanistan
yes 1 3s misspeak after he had just provided a good answer to the question. Do you have a single example of a question trump answered better than biden?
He gave a rambling trumpian answer and ended it with nonsense. And just like all of Trump's cult, you're making excuses for obvious cognitive decline.
He's not running anymore. You don't have to carry water for him,
Trump shat the bed too. The difference is that Trump has a cult and Biden has a few scattered diehard centrists. Trump wasn't going to lose any votes that night. Biden did. You don't have the same base. Democrats respond differently than Republicans do.
You do realize that there are people who can be swayed and when they go online and see the right saying they won't and the left saying it's over they will immediately go to the right.
Trump is successful because his base supports him and acts like he won no matter how stupid he sounded.
People on the left could easily find stuff to support and get excited about and hold their criticism for after the election.
The fact that you think a bad Biden answer is equivalent to a normal Trump answer should be enough reason to shit on Trump and support Biden(vocally). Its over now but in retrospective.
And you envy that. You want Democrats to be as stupid as Republicans.
We're not going to pretend a shit sandwich is perfect just because you like the taste.
Saying good things about the candidate you support leading up to an eletection is being smart. Its stupid to say bad things about a candidate you support leading up to an election.
You will always find an excuse to silence people who are critical of genocide.
Dont worry your candidate Trump will sort out the issue. Hes going to end the war by giving Isreal whatever they need to get the job done!
And you would rather have trump than ever say no to Netanyahu.
No I would rather not have trump and I dont care about Isreal v Palestine. Im just confused because you pretend to support something but act in a way that is harmful towards that cause.
You would rather scream at critics of Biden, even as he is supporting a genocide that you, at best, don't care about. Some people do care about genocide. You did your level best to alienate them every chance you had.
Who do you think is better for Palestine Biden or Trump? Honest question.
Biden. It's why I voted for Harris.
This does not obligate me to lie and pretend that second worst is perfect. And why I believe that you support genocide when you insist that others lie and pretend second worst is perfect.
Sealion at someone else.
No one is saying you have to lie and pretend it's perfect. I'm saying if you want to win then you shouldnt shit on your own side when there is a worse option that you're fighting against. You are trying to convince others that your candidate is the better option and it's not very conviction if you sit there attacking your own candidate.
Biden/harris had to endure attacks from the right and suicidal people on the left who didn't realize they were being useful idiots for the other side.
So shut up and pretend to agree with you and "not care" about genocide.
They should have listened to their critics from the left. Instead they listened to the right and only the right. Which is how we kept the genocide you totally don't care about and moved to the right on immigration. You want people to stay home? Tell them to sit down, shut up, and vote as they are ordered to while being super proud of the endorsement of the fucking Cheneys.
You were warned about what would happen from people who saw it coming. You deliberately interpreted that is being pro-trump. And now you're blaming everyone but the morons who decided to run as Democrats on "the economy is fine, quit whining that you can't afford groceries!" and "Look at how much bad faith Republicans operate in! We adopted their positions on immigration and they just moved to the right! No we won't drop those positions now that we've proven our point. Shut up." and "Look! Cheneys! Yaaay!" and of course "Genocide is a good thing actually because Trump will be worse! No we won't stop supporting genocide and here's some accusations that you're a Russian. Not from randos on the internet, either. From Pelosi."
Your party is useless at legislating and useless at running. And before your stupid, utterly thoughtless "oh yeah? Are you saying Trump would be better?!!! Everyone to my left is a trumpist because my party has no merit and I can't defend it any other way!" OF FUCKING COURSE TRUMP IS WORSE. Being less terrible than trump is not an accomplishment, and using it as an excuse for disgusting immoral policy should be a cause for shame, except that anyone who looks the other way at genocide has no capacity for shame.
You just wanted to get by on second worst. Your party lost. And deserved to. The constituents they lie about representing didn't deserve that shit, but they're getting it anyway. I held my nose and voted for Harris DESPITE people like you who demand silence while they get everything they want. I voted for her DESPITE knowing that a win would be interpreted by pro-genocide centrists (there has never been and never will be another kind) as a mandate to continue the genocide. I voted for her DESPITE knowing that I would be blamed for not being as delighted with genocide as you want everyone to be. But I knew that others would not be so willing to vote as I did. That's why I and others like me warned people like you. But since we're not Dick Goddamned Cheney, you ignored us.
You just got shown that you can't win by moving to the right, and you will blame anyone rather than accept and internalize it. Do not bother me again.
You are so self sabotaging. You think attacking your preferred party is going to drive them to your side? Well congrats they lost and now everything shifts right. You think the next left candidate is going to be to the left of biden not a fucking chance.
If the Dems run a candidate who even hints at supporting stuff like LGBT rights, women's reproductive rights or any other social issue they are going to get cooked.
Election is over so now you can be as much of a useful idiot as you want. Everytime Trump removes a right or threatens another nation you can post about how the Democrats aren't perfect either.
You think telling your voters that they don't matter and they should shut up is going to drive them to the polls?
Well congrats you won and everything shifts right.
No candidate to Biden's right is a "left" candidate. Except to you, for whom Netanyahu is a tankie.
At least that's your excuse for throwing even more people under the bus like the moral cowards the entire center wing of the party has always been.
And I told you never to bother me again, but it's no surprise that you have no idea what "never again" means.
You are the type of person that gets leaders like Netanyahu elected.
And everyone to your left is all the way to your right as always.
Dude, the video is available. It was really that bad.