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There was a post by Elise from here about supporting Pixelfed and Loops financially and I pointed out correctly that the creator of both is a well known cultural appropriator and as such should probably not be supported financially until he stops such behaviour.
Proof was provided via a link to a thread on mastodon since somebody asked for more information. Many people then took to defending him and the cultural appropriation and JAQed off (Just Asking Questions) in public or got extremely hostile to myself and others including a black person who is hopefully still on this instance despite all the increasing incredulity and hostility we had to face.
It ended up with some (which as I said I can provide screenshots for) mocking the very concept of cultural appropriation because of 'natural language evolution' and as such denouncing the very real history and modern day effects of colonialism etc including some other beehaw members such as jarfil which I feel is not within the spirit of beehaw's rules.
If screenshots of this mess are wanted I will gladly provide them, probably after some cropping (if that is okay).
Is this enough information apart from the screenshots or is more required?
Since you chose to single me out, I feel obligated to respond.
You keep conflating language with culture, then go off about how using a language, or parts of one, supposedly negates the struggles of a community, while someone pointing out the conflation makes them into supporting someone else's cultural appropriation.
Let me tell you now: no, it doesn't, your insistence on that conflation does... which I feel is not within the spirit of beehaw's rules.
Source: Polish raised in the Basque country, both places where quite recently using either the language or culture were punishable by death, both places just fine with other languages picking up some of theirs, and even some of their culture.
PS: guess I could have reported and blocked instead of posting the initial response, sometimes it's hard to decide whether words or blocks are a harsher response.
You don't get to decide what is or isn't appropriation. Black people are constantly telling non-black people to stop using AAE. It is not slang. Also, even if you still believe that language on its own can't be appropriated, AAE is deeply rooted in black folks history and is a huge part of their culture.
At the very least you should listen to marginalized people when they are telling you to stop, even if you disagree
I can listen, I can mark for non-engagement, I can block (or is that worse?)... even if I still think it's not only nonsense, but also highly detrimental. Like, trying to keep a dialect segregated, because marginalized people want to... what, be more segregated? Seriously? Well, I can try, I still think that's wrong for all the possible reasons.
From a cursory search, there seem to be some expressions claimed as AAE that weren't a thing until the 2010s, colliding with non-AAE ones. That's not going to end well.
PS: should there be a "marginalized" tag for people? I still think of people of color as just people, and the profile description tells me nothing, or rather the opposite.
https://oxfordre.com/linguistics/display/10.1093/acrefore/9780199384655.001.0001/acrefore-9780199384655-e-926
It feels like you are listening but not understanding. Think of AAE as a closed practice. You can learn about, you can view it from the outside, but it is not yours to use as you please. It is about solidarity, not segregation. A fine line, but one that has been set by the people who's culture it is
I don't think so, and it is not just black folks on Lemmy asking people outside the culture not to use AAE. I know no culture is a monolith, but a majority have been saying that for a long time.
This has some real "I don't see color" vibes. I get the sentiment, you try not to discriminate, but that also ignores black folk's lived experiences.
Help me understand this. It makes no sense to me. I don't even know where to begin thinking about it in terms that I can understand.
Sure. Closed practice is usually in reference to religious practices. Voodoo/Hoodoo are the 2 most commonly referenced closed practices, but a lot of Native Americans have closed practices as well. It basically means unless you are part of that culture, it is not for you and you should not attempt to practice. You miss a lot of the cultural significance and often cause damage to the practice (using white sage for cleansing rituals is a great example). They are often appropriated and misrepresented as evil.
AAE, while not religious in nature, has a lot of cultural reference and significance. It is often misrepresented and appropriated without regards to the cultural origin.
Thanks for explaining further. This is not something I've ever thought about so I'm going to take time to process it.
Of course, happy to help
Screenshots would help. I’ve been hearing from a lot of trusted persons that the person in question is an asshole. I would like to know more about this please.
Okay, give me a bit to do some things offline and then I'll get to cropping and uploading them here.
Proof posted.
Thank you