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Summary

Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) is pushing legislation to rename the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America, arguing the U.S. military and taxpayers secure the region, making it "our gulf."

Greene shared the proposal text on social media, calling for federal agencies to adopt the name change.

She linked the renaming effort to combatting Mexican cartel activity in the Gulf.

Trump supported the name change in a 2024 executive order, but there has been no indication of international adoption, including by the UK.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The only way she is going to force the UK into using that stupid name is if they invade and conquer the UK.

[–] Canadian_anarchist 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Another country to add to Trump's annexation list.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yes, a second NATO member on the list and one with Nuclear Weapons operating on a deadman's handle. I'm sure that's wise.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Trump would need to blockade food and fuel shipments to the UK. Starvation and failing logistics would soon cripple the country, if no help from the EU arrived. Brexit?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)
  1. Trade with the EU is still possible, it's just much harder to do. Unless the PM is Truss levels of thick, he would make a deal with the EU.
  2. If the US tries to blockade the UK, that would be Article 5 worthy, hence, War with two nuclear powers.
  3. Even if we ignore that: Attacking shipping between the UK and the outside world would also include attacking friendly or neutral countries, including EU and NATO members, because the channel is one of the busiest shipping lanes in the world. Hence, bad idea for America.
  4. The Channel Tunnel (the Chunnel) allows for freight trains to pass between the UK and mainland Europe.

In short: If the US tries to blockade supplies between the UK and the rest of the world, be it by Sea or Air or Rail, the US would still be at war with NATO and the EU, as well as many other countries (the countries of the ships that are attacked for example) because the UK doesn't merely have a lot of allies, but they also get a lot of shit from the same routes the UK does.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

You make good points in favor of the UK. Still from my viewpoint the US has some favorable cards and sits on a longer lever in the long term in the bilateral relation.

  1. Blockade could begin "soft" through tariffs and economic favors to other trading partners at first. Germany, Europe's biggest economy, exports most of its goods to the United States, so the EU depends more on the relations to the US than the UK. Tightening that bottleneck to get concessions rather than cutting it off completely.
  2. And where would Britain get fuel from, 34% of UK fuel comes from the US according to oec trade balances? You need a lot of fuel reserves for a navy and air-force nowadays, not to mention to sustain a population. The U.S. is the biggest fossil fuel exporter in the world right now, and its growing into a petrol/oil-state.
  3. The US can offer France and Germany protection from China (because its military is capable and the best in the world) no tariffs and cheap fossil fuel to stay neutral. The US would need to split the EU and NATO into different factions infighting for this, which they already kinda did: Poland can not import the same level of chips as Germany from the US politico, while Orban supports Trump.
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Right, so basically bully other surrounding countries into stopping things getting into the UK? You assume France and Germany are going to be gungho about blocking off their neighbour because the US is pissed off at them for not renaming a body of water that isn't even theirs.

I think you need to understand something:

  1. Tarrifs don't work the way Donald Trump says they will. The Exporter doesn't pay the tarrif, the consumer ultimately does, rising the price of imported goods. Trump also has the economic knowhow of a plank of wood because he also says he's basically going to have tarrifs on everyone as a way to make other countries pay America money (in his head). Again, that's wrong, and I don't think he's going to lift that on any EU country because in his eyes, other countries should pay America money either as a punishment or to pay for all the things the US does.
  2. We can get our oil from the Middle East or Canada if needs be. The US is not the only place with Oil.
  3. The biggest threat to France and Germany, or even Europe in general right now isn't China, it's Russia, because don't forget there's a War in Ukraine right now and Putin could, if he wanted to, send a force into Estonia or Finland and we could have nukes flying. We have Russian spies everywhere, Russian cyberattacks on infrastructure, fuck it wasn't too long ago we had poisonings of Russian dissidents in England.

Donald Trumps ideology on the international is basically "The Rest of the World Owes us, and we will make them pay", and I don't think Germany and France are going to suck America's cock over Britain, especially since Trump is quite pally with Europe's current big threat (Russia) and a certain member of his government is openly providing support for Far right parties in the UK, France and Germany.

What I think would happen is that Trump slaps Tariffs on the UK and EU, tells them to bend the knee lest he raises them, and the UK, France, and Germany basically look at each other and say "aight, bet" and raise tarriffs on American made goods. I don't think Germany and France are going to abandon the UK for a man who gets his money from Russia.

Anyone with the capacity to google knows that Trump's "Tariff-a-paloosa" scheme is going to blow up in America's face as things get more expensive because, again: Importers pay the tariff, not the exporter. And if there's one thing I know: You cannot make actual Scotch Whiskey, French Wine, or German Cars in the US.

Also, another thing you can't grow in a large scale in the US is Coffee! Only Hawa'ii can grow it and they can't grow it on a scale that can satisfy the market in the Lower 48 and Alaska, so I guess watching the coffee supply to one of the most caffeinated countries in the world get cut off will be interesting to watch.