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Joker didn't suck, it just wasn't the movie people wanted.
I like musicals and still think it was pretty bad. It's a jukebox musical which are usually bad anyway.
Almost none of the songs move the story forward. Most of them are just we are in love numbers. You get one maybe two of those a musical.
Joaquin Phoenix is a good actor and a terrible singer. Lady Gaga is a good singer and terrible actor. So every scene with them both has one of them doing a bad job.
I decided to skip Joker 2 once I heard it was a musical (and then I heard the reviews were bad).
You got me curious about Phoenix's singing so I looked up some clips on YouTube.
You were right, it's not good. Not good at all.
I liked that the songs marked the "imagined" sequences. There was no singing in the things that really happened.
I agree it didn't suck, but in addition to not being the movie people wanted, it also wasn't good at the thing it was.
I'd be shocked if it won any razzies given the stiff competition, but that doesn't mean making it was a good idea.
but the movie they needed
That was kind of the point of that movie.
But I thought they did really good in it.