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"Vote for candidate A who supports genocide."
"Vote for candidate B who supports genocide."
"Don't vote and be loud about it so that in the next election, the losing party is hopefully forced to have a candidate that doesn't support genocide to get your vote."
Which one of those 3 has at least a theoretical chance of helping (even if it may be too late by then)?
I am not saying it was worth it, considering how much worse Trump is on most other issues. It probably wasn't. But if Palestine is the only issue you care about, it makes sense to not vote.
So the answer is nothing. You've done nothing.
Not one phone call, not one form e-mail, let alone actually go somewhere.
How many Palestinians have you even talked to about their needs and desires?
I’ve contacted MLA’s and MP’s about it for every single federal and provincial election for the last 15 years as well and going to protests regularly to stop this shit. It doesn’t work because liberals won’t also pressure politicians and instead would call out leftists for not supporting the right genocide candidate.
Got it, everyone give up and don't push politicians to do the right thing because it doesn't work.
Not at all what I said but go off.
You literally said it doesn't work. You used those three specific words in that order.
It only isn’t working because of people like you. You are enabling genocide. This is my entire point dude. Are you being intentionally obtuse? Because it’s exhausting.
It isn't working because I do the exact same thing you stopped doing because it wasn't working?
That makes zero sense.
I didn’t stop doing anything, what are you even talking about man?
So you do it even though it doesn't work and it doesn't work because I do the same thing. I see.
You are making absolutely no sense. Just shut up and take the L man.
I'm making no sense?
You're the one who told me that me contacting politicians every week, which is something I very clearly said I do, is the reason why contacting politicians every week doesn't work. But also that you do it even though it doesn't work.
So I'm pretty sure I'm not the one making no sense and I'm sorry my spending hours every week contacting politicians to try to stop this genocide has ruined it for you somehow. I think I'll keep doing it anyway... out of spite, I guess?
Ah right, because US politicians care so much about calls and e-mails from Europeans who can't vote for them.
Plenty of European politicians support this war too. How many of them did you contact?
And you didn't answer my question about Palestinians. How many have you talked to about their needs and desires?
Oh, right, I forgot I should have checked first if they wanted a bomb dropped on their head or literally anything else.
Thankfully in Europe, we have more choices than two genocidal maniacs, so I could just vote for ones that don't support genocide.
Not that it changes much, since US is the only country actually sending significant material support to Israel and diplomatically shields them from consequences.
Got it. You know what is best for the little Palestinians and you don't have to do any hard work, just vote.
Also, this is just a lie:
I mean let's just start with Germany... https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/scholz-says-germany-will-supply-israel-with-weapons-defend-itself-2024-10-17/
Yeah, it's almost as if people claiming they vote or not vote as something that counts as effort and helping a situation is some virtue signalling bullshit. Congratulations on missing the entire fucking point.
And yes, I do go out of my way to talk to Palestinians. It really isn't hard to do. You just apparently think you know better than them what their needs and desires are, so you don't bother.
Anything but make the slightest bit of effort, apparently.
You are the only one missing the point.
But continue, tell us what you did (on the advice from the Palestinians) that made anywhere near the difference voting can.
Do tell me the point.
I vote and do other things. I also care about people in dire situations enough to talk and listen to them rather than think I know what's best for them.
You only vote and you seem to think you know what's best for them. That's the difference between us.
Yes, the mysterious other things.
The point is, who did you vote for if you say it helped Palestinians? Because the only option that has even a miniscule chance to help is not voting.
But I am guessing that is not what you did. You voted for the party you liked and then pretended listening to Palestinians and making effort with negligible or nonexistent results was helping.
My voting is not what helped Palestinians because who I voted for had nothing to do with them.
You literally said you helped things by voting. Make up your mind.
Do you not live in the US? Because not living in the US is the only way your voting could have no effect on Palestine.
I am tired of you constantly changing the subject, so I'm just going to end this.
And for what it's worth, I'm a dual national.
Ah yes, so after you enter conversation about politics and voting, try to change the subject to other mysterious things you did to help, you get tired of people bringing back the original topic.
10/10 discussion /s