cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/25427659
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SlrPnk.net is halfway between Dbzer0 and “left”.
Arguably dbzer0 would be a bit further towards the libertarian right, although still in the bottom left corner.
Would you not consider them to be ancom? (I can’t tell myself)
No, more like reasonable anarcho-individualists.
We're primarily AnComs. I am for sure. I also disagree with your take on piracy. I look at it from the perspective of the end user, and I don't consider that anyone should be excluded from culture just for not being able to afford it.
Well, maybe it was the anarcho-syndicalist in me speaking, but AnComs tend to be quite interested in the perspective of the producer and/or erasing the artificial bondary between producer and consumer. And culture is more than the mass produced mainstream culture that piracy enables access to.
I'm an AnSyn as well though. I just disagree that taking the liberal approach of respecting monopolistic laws like copyrights and patents when it is to benefit the petit bourgeoisie has any revolutionary potential. Sure I agree that everyone deserves to live, and those who are affluent enough to support other workers should do so, but they should try to bypass exploiting capitalist practices whenever possible. Just funding a small studio, so that they can become a successful capitalist later on, is counter productive. Therefore, claiming that respecting liberal market culture is somehow more AnCom, is baffling to me.
And whatever you think culture is, it still encompasses the parts which are behind a paywall. And if someone doesn't have money to access them, I fully support them pirating it instead.
No one talked about respecting copyright or patents.
For me personally piracy is pretty much irrelevant as I don't find most of what mainstream culture produces to be very interesting and don't mind paying some producers of non-mainstream culture directly if that helps them survive in this capitalist hellscape.
And from a more revolutionary perspective you could even argue that copyright works in our favour as most of the culture behind the paywall is subtile propaganda for capitalism and definitly acts as a pacifier that distracts and isolates people.
But personally I think piracy is a good example of anarchist calistenics, so I don't mind people doing it.
Sure, I just take issue that any of this means our instance is "Anarchist-individualist" and whatnot. We are accepting of non-anarchist users with the aim to educate and agitate, but our ethos, even when our stance on piracy or GenAI is involved, has always been communistic.
Really? I haven’t ventured too much there but I always assumed they were libertarian socialist type anarchism.
Have a look at [email protected] , it's a general interest community for everyone
"Libertarian socialism" is quite a bit broader than "ancom" and there are plenty of anarcho-individualists that out of individualist considerations consider themselves socialists.
Lets take piracy as an example:
An ancom would likely argue that this is bad under the current circumstances and that the creators should be fairly compensated or rather have their needs covered so that they are free to make stuff. However they would likely also concede that piracy from large corporations would be somewhat ok as large privately owned corporations are a bad thing and thus don't deserve any protection.
An anarcho-individualist would be likely in favour of piracy even under the current circumstances as it usually benefits the person pirating much more than it hurts the people working on the digital media, but maybe concede that you shouldn't do it for small individual creators trying to make a living.
So you see that the final outcome isn't that different, but an ancom would likely shy away from openly promoting piracy of digital media.
I’m ancom and one of the main admins for db0 is more anarcho-individualist based on this example.
I don’t care about pirating Hollywood blockbusters, I do care about generative AI stealing individual creators work with no compensation to ultimately put out garbage disguised as “art”.
That’s the big difference between myself and the admins of db0 is they’re pro AI and don’t believe at all in intellectual property even for individuals.
But I’m still there because it’s a dope instance and we can agree to disagree.
Wouldn’t an ancom not believe in ownership — and therefore think piracy is not inherently immoral? Obviously they believe in community distribution and mutual aid so they would believe that if people involved with the creation of those media were struggling they would help those people, but not necessarily through the proxy of buying the movie but through general mutual aid.
Hence my "under current circumstances" where people do need to make a living under capitalist conditions. But indeed neither would consider it immoral in terms of ownership, especially since digital media has a duplication cost near zero.
Interesting.
so you’re basically saying an example of dbzer0 leaning more individualist is that they aren’t explicit enough about encouraging people to buy indie films made by struggling artists? (instead of pirating)
Yes that would be a reasonable summary.
Great post! I consider myself a “libertarian socialist," but most on Lemmy doesn't know what that is, so I just say socialist.