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Valentine's Day (i.ibb.co)

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (29 children)

Kinda a false equivalency, no? There's a lot more history and tradition steeped in something like Christmas/Yule than Valentine's Day, unless you're suggesting we should call it a feast day in honor of the St Valentine or w/e.

You can celebrate some holidays in a traditional, non-commercialized manner. There's not really a way to celebrate Valentine's Day without consumerism.

Edit: As many are trying to point out, yes you can show your love to your SO without consumerism. You should be doing it everyday. If anyone has any ideas on how to go above and beyond to demonstrate your commitment to a person without going out/giving a gift/dressing especially fancy, I'm all ears.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I can think of quite a few ways to show love w my S.O. without consumerism.

Also, I don't see any false equivalence, just because it's been around longer doesn't make Christmass any less made up.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

There's a clear difference between the traditions behind Christmas/Yule and the purely capitalism-driven Valentine's Day sales event.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

There's a clear difference between the longstanding traditions behind Christmas/Yule and the capitalism-driven Valentine's Day sales event. And we all know it.

Yes, like jolly old Santa Claus dressed up in his red and white suit as popularized by... Coca Cola in the ‘30s. You’re right, Christmas is totally different than Valentine’s Day.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

It was celebrated for hundreds (or even thousands) of years before coke existed. Valentines day wasn't.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Tell you what, how about you go google “The Feast of St. Valentine” and then we’ll pick this conversation back up. Sound good?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Hey, sounds good. Firstly I'd like to say there's no real need to be so snarky. Even if we disagree, we should be able to have an engaging chat online without being rude. I don't think anything I said was rude in that way, and if it seemed so I apologize. I'm easygoing, but if you want to convince people of your perspective, they might not always want to listen to what you have to say if you treat them like idiots.

Secondly, I did Google it. And according to that, around 500AD Valentines day was originally established to honor the Saint, and then over the middle ages evolved into a more general celebration of romance. So, I'll give it to you that it wasn't just recently invented by Hallmark.

However, I still maintain that I was correct. Obviously Christmas is now a nightmare of capitalism too, but a Christmas/Yule/Saturnalia/whatever celebration is both older, more steeped in real tradition, and has more meaning than the modern concept of Valentines, which is literally just about selling cards and flowers and jewelry. But I guess that's subjective.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Secondly, I did Google it. And according to that, around 500AD Valentines day was originally established to honor the Saint

Yes. So your claim that Christmas has been "celebrated for hundreds (or even thousands) of years before coke existed. Valentine's Day wasn’t." is incorrect. We're done here.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 weeks ago

OK, deal. You were more right and I was more nice, and it seems like that matches what we both wanted, so let's take it as a win

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/the-claus-that-refreshes/

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Wanna know how I know you didn't read that? Because it doesn't disagree with me. Coca Cola popularized the modern depiction of Santa Claus.

One might therefore fairly grant Coca-Cola some credit for cementing the modern image of Santa Claus in the public consciousness, as in an era before the advent of television, before color motion pictures became common, and before the widespread use of color in newspapers, Coca-Cola's magazine advertisements, billboards, and point-of-sale store displays were for many Americans their primary exposure to the modern Santa Claus image. But at best what Coca-Cola popularized was an image they borrowed, not one they created.

Notice how I didn't say they created it, nor did I say they invented it? I said they popularized it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The basic point was that all holidays are made up. To suggest that xmass is less of a cash grab consumer fest than valentine's day is insane.

You dont see valentine's day advertised in January, around here xmass starts the day after Halloween.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

I don't think Christmas is less of a cash grab per se, just that there's at least some spirit under it, while (modern) VDay seems to be pretty purely consumerist

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