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All the talk now is of how we might defend ourselves without the US. But almost everyone with a voice in public life appears to be avoiding a much bigger and more troubling question: how we might defend ourselves against the US.

As Keir Starmer visits the orange emperor’s court in Washington, let’s first consider the possibilities. I can’t comment on their likelihood, and I fervently hope that people with more knowledge and power than me are gaming them. One is that Donald Trump will not only clear the path for Vladimir Putin in Ukraine, but will actively assist him.

Now consider our vulnerabilities. Through the “Five Eyes” partnership, the UK automatically shares signals intelligence, human intelligence and defence intelligence with the US government. Edward Snowden’s revelations showed that the US, with the agreement of our government, conducts wholesale espionage on innocent UK citizens. The two governments, with other western nations, run a wide range of joint intelligence programmes, such as Prism, Echelon, Tempora and XKeyscore. The US National Security Agency (NSA) uses the UK agency GCHQ as a subcontractor.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes thank you, I do. Do you know what conspiracy rhetoric looks like?

Monbiot can make, and has, any wishy-washy allegations and hide behind "oh but it's all behind closed doors so just trust me, yeah?" to appeal to his "the truth is out there" readers.

He's classic guardian contrarian opinion writer.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Good to know you trust Donald Trump. Sleep tight!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I don't. But I trust more sensible heads that are, and always have, worked behind the public limelight. Both here and across Europe and the US.

Let's see what happens. Maybe Georgie boy will write another think piece?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

You can trust those people. The Kurds and Ukrainians can tell you all about how reliable they are.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 22 hours ago

Ok thanks 🙏