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Editorial: A president just disrespected America in the Oval Office. It wasn’t Zelensky
(kyivindependent.com)
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I don't usually get upset by world news. I was genuinely upset about what happened today.
I cannot imagine being in Zelensky's position, having the future of his country depend on how skilled he can be at placating a bunch of mean children who are needling him with ridiculous lies in front of the entire planet and then yelling at him when he pushes back. And probably beating himself up (as the press will surely do) about how, in hindsight, he should have done a better job. Not that Trump should have done something different: That he should have.
Fuck 'em. Sure, in a theoretical sense, it's true. But it's not even the point. The bullying nature of the whole setup, to make it "his fault" when everything blows up because of Trump and Vance's cruel posturing, is the point.
I just sent Ukraine's defense ministry some money: https://u24.gov.ua/ and click on "donate now" in the top right corner.
Fuck 'em up, guys. These assholes do not represent us.
I’m not usually interested in Trump because he’s always stupid on his Truth Social thing, but insulting another president that he invited as a guest in front of cameras and in the Oval Office? I don’t think there has been a biggest shit show so far.
And yet I found it completely predictable.
Trump is so goddamn American: a boorish bully who thinks they’re the best when really he’s a fat idiot.
We absolutely deserve him. It’s a shame he’ll hurt other countries.
...america's credibility is permanently destroyed until it institutes structural changes to insulate national policy from his like: america will suffer worst of all for its capitulation to russian disinformation...
Anyone who has to stop the whole conversation to lecture the other participant about how they need to be showing more respect right now, is almost invariably a piece of shit.
People who genuinely earn respect don't feel the need to instruct people in how to show it and correct them on it if they aren't.
one of the most annoying parts is they kept asking him questions, tons and tons of questions, berating him from running and hiding from the questions, but the literal second he would try to answer or say anything, they'd just yell over him and cut him off. it is almost painful to watch.
If you don't count Jan 6.
Even then it's waaaayyy up there. And that's saying something, he's a shitshow factory.
One small plus is at least this behaviour is being displayed to the world, so people can see exactly what Trumps like to deal with.
You know that entire spectacle was staged.
They put President Zelensky in a position to be unable to refuse this ambush. They planned to gang up on, bully, and humiliate him on camera, and then go viral with “kicking him out of the White House”. His maggots love this shit show.
They were hoping to provoke him into losing his temper in way they could point to as being him refusing peace. Trump wants to create a narrative to spin his allying with Russia as something other than a blatant unilateral betrayal, and Zelenskyy denied him that.
(Don't get me wrong: Trump will claim it anyway, but with even less credibility than he would have had if his bullying had been successful.)
Trump has been doing it to everyone else, just lie to the press about basic facts. Both Macron and Starmer managed to politely correct him without triggering Trump. Zelensky was trying to do the same, but Vance couldn't shut his mouth and decided to try and show to Trump he was a good boy. And once it got to that stage, Zelensky couldn't really back down.
At least he's awakened something in Europe now where everyone's basically said they've got his back. He could probably get a better deal from Europe, because from what I've read the current deal has been described as worse than the Versailles treaty, which is probably not something you want to impose on a country that already has a bunch of armed Nazis running around in it.
Well, yeah: why else did you think they added Vance? Trump is getting too old and tired for his bullying to be effective enough on its own, so they sent in his minion to make sure the job got done.
You say "Vance couldn't shut his mouth" as if you think this was some kind of mistake or gaffe on his part, but no. Vance did exactly what he meant to do, on purpose. Or at least tried his damnedest, even if he wasn't completely successful in getting Zelenskyy to take the bait.
Right there with you. These fucking fascist idiots make me sick. Also with you on the united24 giving.
Yeah. It makes me feel physically ill when I think of it. I'm not even joking. It's mostly not even anger, although there is that, it's just a sick wrong feeling inside.
The other day, I had a call with my mother. We're pretty close, and the discussion turned to politics - a topic I don't bring up, because I know my interest in it far outstrips her's. Mostly calm - she's conservative, but also moderately anti-Trump - she didn't vote for him in the past two elections.
Two things that stood out:
When my mother wondered aloud why we weren't doing more to stand up to Russia, I paused, and felt a surge of... anger? Despair? Laughing madness? all through my body and especially in my head.
When I talked about Ukraine, I could hardly speak by the end.
Ukrainians are under the utmost pressure, and have been for years, and for us to backstab them like this is...
Atrocious.
Yeah. It's fucking heartbreaking.
We've done these things before. We did it to the Kurds and the Afghans, we're doing it to the Palestinians on an ongoing basis. But this feels different. We are the world's enemy.
I know exactly how you mean. I had to walk around and breathe.