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[โ€“] [email protected] -3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Doesn't explain Zelensky playing along (I can't call his behavior anything else).

I think they do have some plan to which Zelensky consented (however reluctantly) and this was a "reality TV stunt" to make it appear plausible. Maybe to save Zelensky's face in Ukraine to have the same partner in negotiations after ceasefire and the new Ukrainian election (has been postponed for almost a year, but that can't go on indefinitely).

Or maybe yes. In any case this was unfitting.

[โ€“] SpaceCowboy 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

What's happening is the US is negotiating with Russia without involving Ukraine. Not too dissimilar from European powers negotiating with Hitler over German claims on Czechoslovakia without Czechoslovakia being part of the negotiations. We know how that ended.

When Trump and Putin reach an agreement (without consideration for Ukraine) they make some bold claim similar to "Peace for our time" and expect everyone to go along with it. When that happens, Ukraine can ignore the agreement and continue fighting, but if too many countries buy Trump's version of "Peace for our time" then Ukraine could be considered the bad guy because they're not agreeing to end the war.

But after this? Every country in the world has reiterated their support for Ukraine. Any "peace plan" promoted by Trump will be known to be all about appeasing Putin and be rightly ignored by everyone. Trump's WWIII comment made it clear that Trump is afraid of Putin, nobody will respect anything he says about Ukraine going forward.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

Putin is not Hitler. I'm not saying it's not a problem to be solved, having taken many lives and taking more, but it's a different problem.

Putin's regime is not capable of growing power. It's only capable of capturing more power. While ultimately similar inability made Nazis weak, they were capable of modernizing industries and rebuilding the military. Maybe if it were done slowly over 30 years instead of 5 years, they'd turn out a similar failure as Putin's Russia, having corrupted Germany enough to reduce its danger. We don't know, since they outright started killing people, putting them into prison camps and marching with knives on the streets.

Every country in the world has reiterated their support for Ukraine.

That's not true, but suppose it were.

If all those countries sent soldiers and equipment to Ukraine, that is, declared war on Russia, it would be over.

If they are not doing this, then what they are actually doing is the degree of real support.

Then maybe Trump's "deal" just shows it.

I think enough conscripted Ukrainians have already died, and everyone talking against such deal, be it even capitulation, should wish for Americans, Canadians, Brits, French, Germans, Italians ... to be conscripted to that frontline to end the war. Or admit they just want some Ukrainians to die for their feeling of justice they have in their safe cozy life.