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NATO membership is off the table.
Its the start of the negotiation, everyone will take positions, but might change them. I don't think Nato is really an option, but they might avoid this and make individual 2 party agreements between Ukraine and Nato countries that would serve as a sort of replacement for actually admitting Ukraine to Nato.
I don’t see Russia accepting that.
Without giving Ukrainians real safety guarantees, they will never stop fighting. Russia knows that. If they don't accept safety guarantees they are saying, they want to war more.
They will never stop fighting? Ukraine can’t win a war of attrition against Russia.
We can already see that is not the case, if the west continues to support it.
Even with the West’s support Ukraine has been losing ground. Imagine without the US support…
With limited support, while Russia has been losing an unsustainable amount of manpower to occupy less that 1% of the territory in a year. Losing US support will be really bad, but right now the frontlines have been fortified and Ukraine has built up a lot of weapons industry to produce it's own weapons. I'm not saying it's going to be easy without US support (even though we cannot say 100% that is really going to happen), what I'm saying is that the situation is way way way more nuanced and complicated than you are claiming.
It’s really not more complicated than I claim, Ukraine also suffered a great number of casualties and has far fewer troops than Russia.
Ukraine can indeed produce some of its own weapons but the country is entirely reliant on external support for its survival. The Americans are growing tired of sending weapons and money. Who knows how long the Europeans will continue supporting Ukraine.
I don't think you can claim that a few of you 3 word sentences describe the entirety of the war. That's not serious.
The Americans are not growing tired of sending weapons. Not if you look at the polls. Only the current administration has certain ideas about stopping support, but it's not clear if they actually will, because of three internal political situation and diplomatic standing of US in the world. European support is even growing.
Polls show Americans do not wish to keep providing support to Ukraine.
Nobody wants to provide support indefinitely. But that doesn't mean anyone will stop providing it until it is needed.
It means the support will dwindle away.
Thats an opinion, it has no value.
As much as yours…
Which one is my opinion? That support will not end when Russia wants it? Europe and America will look foolish and weak if they do that. I don't think they can allow this to happen. Yes, that's my opinion.
Don’t be disingenuous, it was never about the support stopping when Russia wants it.
It’s about whether the support provided by the West will dwindle away or not.
The U.S. will have no problem to dramatically reduce support for Ukraine. European countries won’t make up the difference.
Thats not disingenuous. Theres is nothing Russia wants more. There is no doubt that the optics of this would be that USA and Europe have kneeled before Russia.
The only part of America that wants to dramatically reduce support is MAGA. They might succeed, but not without consequences.
The majority of Americans do not want to send more money and weapons to Ukraine. That has nothing to do with what Russia wants or does not want.
Show me. I found this: https://news.gallup.com/poll/658193/support-greater-role-ukraine-climbs-high.aspx
The optics of the situation is that America is kneeling before Rusia.
America is not kneeling before Russia, America is doing what is best for America first.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/11/25/wide-partisan-divisions-remain-in-americans-views-of-the-war-in-ukraine/
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/02/14/americans-views-of-the-war-in-ukraine-continue-to-differ-by-party/
Your links show hardly any change.
America is kneeling. That's what people see.
They show the majority of Americans do not want to provide more money and arms to Ukraine. Americans really don’t care what people see.
Check your numbers again. They show that the majority want to either help the same or help more.
The majority of Americans do not want to provide more money and arms to Ukraine. Only a fraction of the population want to provide more arms and money to Ukraine.
Only 30% want to reduce help. Reduce, not even stop. Only 30%.
Nope, the survey is about the help given so far, not about the future. 30% think too much help has been given.
Read it again, that's not what the survey says. The 23% want the support to stay at the current level.