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Mmm'k, I'll take the bike next time I'll bring 300kg of concrete from the store...
The problems is not having a car. The problem is taking its car everyday for less than 5km to go to work.
Yes, you can live without any car if you live in a big city (in 30m2 apartment 😝), eat in restaurant, go to cinema, etc... and love this way of living.
But if you want a house, with decent garden, close to nature, then it becomes hard to live without car. Not that you must take your car everyday, I have an electric 50cm3 equivalent bike to go to work.But yeah, when I do the garden and have 3/4m3 of organic waste, it's hard to evacuate this by bus...
You'd probably be surprised to know that people do just that kind of thing regularly. There are numerous videos on YouTube showing all sorts of large objects being moved by bike.
@borokov @veganpizza69
To be fair, you could get a bike trailer that handles 300kg, and it would be way more affordable than a pickup truck or van.
But are you doing this often? Are most people??
When I get something large enough to require a cargo van, I usually just rent one for like $20.
It's about using the most appropriate vehicle for the job, with a priority being on the one that causes the least harm to the environment and community.
A car is not appropriate for most of the trips people take, and a truck/SUV even less.
@borokov @veganpizza69
Ironically, your car is destroying the nature you want to be closer to. If you really love nature and the outdoors, using a car to access it is like being a toxic ex-boyfriend who refuses to let go and calls it love.
But what's the alternative?
I'm not talking about the big national parks, which should absolutely have mass transit to shuttle people into it.
But the smaller parks, national/state forests, and public lands? I do a lot of backpacking so I'm regularly at an unnamed trailhead in the middle of my local national forest where we've been on dirt roads for the last 45 minutes. There's not really any feasible way to build public transport to service all of that, and I would very very very much not want them building actual roads for busses or rails for trains.
@Lv_InSaNe_vL
People spread over the earth and into every corner of it except Antarctica, tens of thousands of years before there were cars. Did Genghis Khan have a car? Did Hannibal have a car? Every location you say you can't get to without a car was settled by Native Americans, for thousands of years, without cars. Cable cars would probably have the lowest environmental impact to move people around a park. #MotoNormativity #CarBrain #FuckCars
An alternative in this case is carsharing or taxis. Car ownership is a big issue, for every carsharing car you can get rid of up to 10 vehicles.
Lmfao what are you talking about? There's zero chance you'll find a ride share or taxi willing to take you out on seasonal roads. And that's also ignoring the fact that a lot of these are going to be ~2hrs or more away from an actual town so it's not financially feasible either.
I'm talking about going out into actual nature. Still very far away from civilization.
Carsharing is not the same thing as ride sharing. Carsharing (basically short term car rental paid by the hour/km) is an option anywhere. My girlfriend and I have used this widely in our nature adventures in Europe.
I am talking about possibilities of how we could reform our system and thinking, not the real life situation. Nonetheless, a taxi (ride sharing) is still a viable option in large parts of the world and the US.
Your attitude is unnecessarily hostile so I will shut this conversation down. Thank you for your time.