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cross-posted from: https://feddit.uk/post/26116694

Even with the caveats about limited data and untangling causation and correlation, the statistics are striking: the first year of a scheme in Wales where the speed limit on urban roads was lowered to 20mph resulted in about 100 fewer people killed or seriously injured.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago (2 children)

an estimated 10 fewer deaths and a nearly one-third drop in overall casualties

Nothing like misrepresenting statistics to really sway people.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The article says both:

the first year of a scheme in Wales where the speed limit on urban roads was lowered to 20mph resulted in about 100 fewer people killed or seriously injured.

and then later...

While Welsh government statisticians warn that at least three years’ data will be needed for a meaningful conclusion, the road casualty figures – showing an estimated 10 fewer deaths and a nearly one-third drop in overall casualties – follow research from insurers indicating that 20mph zones appear to be bringing down the number of claims.

There's a citation for the first number 100 but the citation for the second number doesn't say anything about 10 people.

So it seems like 100 might be the more accurate number. I wouldn't blame OP. Sloppy article.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago

See my reply for what I think they're talking about. 100 vs 10 in article.