MeanwhileOnGrad
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Meanwhile On Grad
Documenting hate speech, conspiracy theories, apologia/revisionism, and general tankie behaviour across the fediverse. Memes are welcome!
What is a Tankie?
Alternatively, a detailed blog post about Tankies.
(caution of biased source)
Basic Rules:
Sh.itjust.works Instance rules apply! If you are from other instances, please be mindful of the rules. — Basically, don't be a dick.
Hate-Speech — You should be familiar with this one already; practically all instances have the same rules on hate speech.
Apologia — (Using the Modern terminology for Apologia) No Defending, Denying, Justifying, Bolstering, or Differentiating authoritarian acts or endeavours, whether be a Pro-CCP viewpoint, Stalinism, Islamic Terrorism or any variation of Tankie Ideology.
Revisionism — No downplaying or denying atrocities past and present. Calling Tankies shills, foreign/federal agents, or bots also falls under this rule. Extremists exist. They are real. Do not call them shills or fake users as it handwaves their extremism.
Tankies can explain their views but may be criticised or attacked for them. Any slight infraction on the rules above will immediately earn a warning and possibly a ban.
Off-topic Discussion — Do not discuss unrelated topics to the point of derailing the thread. Stay focused on the direct content of the post as opposed to arguing.
You'll be warned if you're violating the instance and community rules. Continuing poor behaviour after being warned will result in a ban or removal of your comments. Bans typically only last 24 hours, but each subsequent infraction will double the amount. Depending on the content, the ban time may be increased. You may request an unban at any time.
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Who cares about all the people America is currently hurting and has hurt in the past amirite? smug bullshit
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Checkmate, shitlib
You need to read all 1469 pages of THEORY before we can even begin to have a conversation, libbity lib lib!
Yes the tankie argument is to highlight those hurt people.
And to make it worse.
If you keep putting shit covered bandages on a wound, you will stop the bleeding, and theoretically it's better than no bandage at all, but you're not fixing anything.
You will eventually need to cut away all the infected tissue and start serious reconstruction in order to save the area; but that all starts with stopping the people that insist the shit covered bandage is the only solution.
These are humans you're advocating for hurting.
No, they're the embedded rot of society that insists itself is necessary for the healing process.
I mean I am advocating for hurting 'people,' if you consider capitalists and their supporters people, but they absolutely need to be hurt for the rest of us to have a chance of survival.
You're not going to hurt them enough for any meaningful change. You're just hurting people under them.
Hopefully, then they'll stop accepting getting stabbed in the face and do something about it after they start getting stabbed in the gut.
That does not work. Accelerationism is a famously dumb policy.
Well incrementalism objectively does not work, and electoralism does not work, so what's your strategy?
Downvoting tankies on the Internet. Hurts fewer people.
Sure thing buddy. Everyone you don't like is a tankie.
You're an idiot.
Just a .ml or Hexbear user hiding behind an alt account too, probably.
Many trans people and disabled people on Benefits aren’t pro-trump. In fact those are some of the most leftist demographics. Yet they bear the brunt of the abuse under Trump.
Name absolutely DOES NOT check out, chat.
Its a nice deed to kill a nazi, its a super nice deed to kill upper party members. Therefore it's a super nice deed to kill capitalists.
You're advocating hurting innocent people who were born into a capitalist nation they have no control over. Genuine ghoul behavior.
Innocent people cannot become capitalists. Its literally not possible to obtain capital and participate in the wrong side of the rent economy and be innocent.
Obtaining capital, aka having a job, is somehow worthy of being shot for? You have fun with that idea. Tootles. ~~~
I mean this in the kindest way, but you're too illiterate for this conversation. Jobs have nothing to do with obtaining capital. You are not a capitalist if you have a job. You are a capitalist if you rent the means of production to the people with jobs in exchange for the majority of the wealth created.
You. Specifically you. Are not and will never be a capitalist. You will never have a significant amount of capital, and the vast majority of humans have none.
Read literally any theory, then join back. This is why we say you libs say every left wing person is a tankie. You don't know the basics, much less who is or isn't a tankie.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
That's your defense of not understanding the word capitalist?
See, that's the problem with you Tankies, when faced with criticism you automatically default to "You just can't break free of capitalism" or "You just don't understand the true meaning/definition capitalism/communism" or "You just haven't read theory"
But the truth is, that's NOT the issue, as much as you try to deflect and make it the issue, it's not
Tankies are Tankies because they refuse to acknowledge that their "examples of communism" are Authoritarian regimes run by dictators
Fuck capitalism, but to advocate to replace it with just another flavor of authoritarianism is asinine.
This thread and entire comm isn't about capitalism vs communism or theory or the ideals of socialism, it's about the Authoritarians known as "Tankies" and documentation of what they say and do.
You're right, you brought up all of that because you don't understand that nearly no one is a capitalist. Capitalist does not mean someone that believes in capitalism or lives under it.
I get that you're undereducated, but do try to keep on topic. You're upset because you didn't understand what was said or what the argument was. And you're extra mad that someone that isn't a tankie isn't taking your side.
This requires precision and care. Trump is lopping off all the limbs with a dull hatchet while punching the patient in the face and laughing about it, and you're okay with it because there's a melanoma on the toe. Fucking psychotic.
From your other comment below:
They are people, regardless of your attempt to dehumanize them. Most people in the capitalist west just don't know that there are other ways to organize society, and instead of educating them and bringing them on board so we can change things, you've skipped all the way to "up against the wall", because you don't view others in the labor class as "people" unless they share your specific views. Again, fucking psychotic.
Practically nobody in the capitalist west is a capitalist, read your theory.
All the other nonsense only makes sense from the perspective of a privileged white middle class suburbanite.
Literally my point. Read my comment again.
Oh look, more language to dehumanize those of the proletariat who don't share your specific view of things. Good job.
Absolutely psychotic.
Petite bourgeoisie aren't quite proletariat.
White middle class suburbanites in the modern day are rarely petit-bourgeois, but that would require you to understand the phrase 'petit-bourgeois'.
If they're middle class in this economy they're definitely wanting to be bourgeoisie and definitely would advocate killing the poor. Suburbanite also by definition fits that.
Lord.
Yes those are the people that should die. Sorry not everyone believes in suppressing others based on class or other immutable characteristics.
If you don't like that just ban me like you ban anyone that disagrees with you too much.
I don't think you understand bourgeoisie. Or the American middle class. Or suburbanites.
And I say this as someone with a deeply negative position on all of those.