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The AI haters here are just flat out hypocrites, I mean why are you on this instance? Be honest, it was probably for [email protected], the largest community here (and one of the largest on Lemmy), maybe you didn't and in that case maybe you just don't understand the main mission of dbzer0 and the fact that copyright isn't something we care about, but for those who do it is hypocritical if not downright asinine to support and participate in piracy but also say that "It's important to respect intellectual property" when people discuss AI projects and training of AIs. I mean if you pirate movies or games you certainly aren't respecting copyrights yourself. Maybe you think it's different but those companies feel just as offended, and it's evident from their sleazy efforts to fight against piracy.
There are so many arguments that can be made against AI and might even apply in certain situations (Corporate monster AIs like OpenAI) but this one is just fucking stupid, and you all make yourselves sound like trolls when you come here whining about the importance of copyright and intellectual property.
thats certainly not my argument agsinst it. there are a lot of arguments against Grnerative AI that have nothimg to do with copyrigth especcially on the left.
Like the envoiremental inpact, the amoint of energy and water wasted for large datacenters. how rich ceos see it as a way to cut down cost and replace workers (which doesnt even work but they dont care), The amount of exploitation that goes on in the global south where people are being exploited by comoanies that work for ai companies where they have to sit through ours of generatet content of gore and child porn to work on filtering said content out, whithout any psychological care aswell as abismal money they get for it.
the deals AI companies have woth fossilfuel companies. etc. there also some arguments on AI art nlt being actual art and how just content scraping indie and also big artist do a computer can turn out an pretty mediocre average artstyle because you (strawman you not actual you) are to lazy actually learning and apreciating an art style of an artist whos style you may like.
And also lastly the closed source nature of AI we currently have
Also there are different degrees of piracy when it comes to big corps and indi creators but thats another subject
So basically all things that, pretty much exclusively do not apply to the open source, self-hosted, and decentralized AI promoted and used by this community of anarchists and tech enthusiasts? And you wonder why people here think you are trolls? Like, everything you described here is a problem with capitalism and the capitalistic system, you realize that your arguments are just proving what @[email protected] is saying?
I think there is a misunderstanding. To clear things up, I was not talking about lemmy.dbzer0.com and I wasent talking about selfhosted AI models. Also yes The main Problems with AI are due to capitslism. Which applies to how we use and implement technology in general. for example the internet. Not shure to what group you are putting me into but I hope I can provide some context. I am an anarchist.
now onto what I was arguing about I was replying to your comment because, missing the context of this comunity and how it uses AI, I thougth you where definding the technology by arguing that the main point of criticism that people have is the Copyrigth aspect of it. Which is not true.
Now again I was talking about things like chatgpt Claude gemini etc. Not someome selfhosting their own AI model in their own homeserver.
And well specificly AI bros going aroumd generating AI images and calling it art etc.
Which im not saying you are or this comunity is.
So it seems like from what you're saying that you aren't one of the people me or db0 are talking about. Me and db0 are specifically talking about the hypocritical people who come here and complain that we use Horde generative AI and use all the talking points against OpenAI and Google, against Horde and even db0.