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I'm tired of the lack of intersectionality when it comes to men being hetero and queer (lemmy.world)
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I heard the term "sapphic-coded male" the other day and it hit home in terms of accuracy, and highlighted for me how such a possibility really isn't acknowledged by a part of the left.

There seems to be an association that to be a man you can't value things that women do, or have feminine traits or behaviors, and still be a straight man.

The right is very open about this in a hateful malicious way, the left less so, it's incredibly present in the language used and for more practical examples look at some well known trans women like Contrapoints, Abigail Thorne, and November Kelly. Their ability to present as sexual beings and say suggestive and explicit things is way different as women than it ever was as men.

If a guy openly talk about his love of bondage and kink and just being horny they're either coded as on the right or a creep if they're talking about women (being a thirsty gay guy is ok because they're not straight) but if you're a woman who likes women then culturally it's fine.

To be clear I don't think there's anything wrong with the above individuals and I'm a big fan of all three, which is how this observation came about.

Similarly going on Tumblr or bluesky and seeing posts by women about how they don't get why heterosexual guys don't like cutesy things or behaviors or relationships like bi/gay women do and I want to scream because those guys completely exist and want those things, the division of men into the groups of "stereotypical masc hetero guy" and "gay or non-binary" isn't real and a the left helps perpetuate it by coding heterosexuality as bad or conservative. Also yes I'm saying the left but more accurately mean whatever we're calling the 2025 descendant of Tumblr feminism

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Personally i dont have that issue because to me, by definition, anything I like is what heterosexual men like because I am a heterosexual man. I might not enjoy wearing dresses or so but I am not very hesitant to do whatever the fuck I want because it might be unmanly.

I will grant you though that there is a harmful association being made between being heterosexual, male, and a right winger that is a little alienating to like, all the ~~normal~~ not right wing men.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

I am not very hesitant to do whatever the fuck I want because it might be unmanly.

We often talk about some positive aspects of masculinity and I think not caring what is manly might be the most positive masculine thing. This is exactly my attitude. I am a Man so everything I do is manly even if its traditionally feminine. Yeah I garden and cook but in my own masculine way since I am a man.