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Holy shit it's like talking to a brick wall. Is it not possible in your mind for someone to be doing more and achieving less? You want to maybe respond to the points I made about how progressives have to do everything without media or financial support while MAGA has had the backing of extremely wealthy people?
Beyond that, progressives don't just lack support from wealthy donors, the wealthy actively oppose everything we do and even regularly smear us in the media. If you're such a smart guy and know what we should be doing, why aren't you doing it? I promise you progressives are open to new ideas, we're trying everything and then some.
If someone is doing more and achieving less that just proves they suck at what they are doing.
Or what they're trying to do is way harder than what others are trying to do. Again, you continue to criticize progressives for not achieving enough while offering no solutions. Tell me, what do you think progressives should be doing instead?
Oh no I’m sorry you’re right.
They should keep on arguing amongst themselves about who is ideologically pure enough for them to support because that’s obviously working well.
So you think that progressives should be supporting neoliberals because they are the lesser evil, like how Bernie endorsed Biden and Harris? Funny how that worked out.
Oh, I suppose you mean progressive voters. Hold on just a sec, I'll go turn on my mind control machine that I conveniently have in my basement. Can't believe I didn't think to use it to make people vote for Harris, doh!
Jokes aside, if you want people to vote for a candidate that candidate actually has to give the people something to vote for, not just something to vote against. The progressives have that and the neoliberals don't. Unfortunately the neoliberals have something that progressives don't, corporate PAC money and mainstream media support.
I did vote for the lesser evil BTW, for all the good it did me. I stand by my vote but I know that most people are less informed and engaged than I am, so the lesser evil argument just doesn't work on them. You can spend all your energy being angry and bitter about that or you can do something about it, your choice.
The progressives don’t have a party or a candidate because they have the organizational skills of twitch plays Pokémon.
Are you being obtuse on purpose or are you genuinely just like this?
No I’m making valid points but you’re too partisan to listen.
All you've been doing is dodging all my questions with snide remarks. Sure I'm partisan and clearly so are you, but can't you at least try to argue in good faith? I'm only still having this conversation with you because you are a very prolific poster and your output has genuine influence in the [email protected] community. If we can have a genuine discussion about how to fight fascism going forward I think it could be very productive.
All I’ve been doing is making my point very clear how dare you accuse me of arguing in bad faith when my main point is MAGA has taken total control of the US at this point and you’re telling me progressives are the hardest working political party.
I have already explained why I believe that is a disengenuous way to frame things and rather than respond to any of what I said you just keep restating your point in increasingly derogatory ways.
To preface this I want to make it clear that when I say things like "the progressives" or "the liberals" I am referring to politicians, not voters in general.
I did not say progressives are "the hardest working political party" (they aren't a political party at all, like WTF do you mean?), I said they are doing the most to fight fascism. The liberals are literally following James Carville's advice of "play dead," so it's baffling that you would even try to argue otherwise.
I also explained my POV on why progressives struggle to take over the DNC while MAGA easily took over the GOP, but you just snidely dismissed it as "excuses" and refused to engage with my points.
Whether you believe it’s disingenuous or not doesn’t make it any less real.
This is the way a child argues. You're not saying anything or making any tangible point or clarifying what you mean. You're just posturing. Frankly I'm embarrassed to have been baited into such a long and stupid argument, and you should be too.
Oh I’ve been enjoying my conversation with you but it never really progressed from our initial points and I think it’s because you’re not listening to me you’re just trying to scores points.
I don't know bub, from an outside perspective you seem to be the mule digging 🤷♂️
No I’m not.
Bless your heart