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[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I guess to put it in an easy to digest sentence: Believing Nazi things is what makes someone a Nazi.

Yes this is something we agree on.

But we cannot allow “eh” to be the response to “those people who have done nothing wrong should die”.

The response isn't "eh". The response is disagreement. The response is also that its not my right or duty to police their beliefs. When they start manifesting the harm they believe in is when you should act. I can be friends with a murderer, who believes in, supports, and commits murder. I won't enable them to murder. In fact I will disenable them. And I would kill them before allowing them to murder. That doesn't stop me from associating with them outside of that.

The social contract has rules that say we can’t kill each other. Nazism does not respect that, so adherents of Nazism do not respect that, so they do not adhere to the social contract, thus they are not covered by it.

I absolutely hate the term social contract. But yes I agree killing people is very bad. And I think its good to kill someone to stop them killing others. But I also think that saying you want to kill others and believe in an ideology that advocate it is very different from acting on it. Most people support killing people that I don't support killing. Like I don't want to speak for you, but you seem to support killing someone I don't support killing. But given that you're on here you haven't acted on it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

The response isn't "eh". The response is disagreement.

No, anything less than "that's fucked up and fuck you for as long as you believe that" isn't disagreement, it's disinterest. You're looking at views as just abstract paintings someone hangs on their wall; they're not, a person's views inform the way they act. Most beliefs you're absolutely fine to say "no I don't like that one" and not look at it, but keep hanging out at the house.

The painting in this case is the gas chambers, it's the people making lists of of other people for Nazis to kill, it's the public beatings and total lack of freedom and justice for all. It's not a painting of those things, these beliefs are those things. It's not abstract at all, and it's not compatible with how free and open cultures work at a fundamental level.

I absolutely hate the term social contract.

Why? It accurately describes what society is.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

they’re not, a person’s views inform the way they act.

Yep, exactly. And that's exactly thing. And when they act is when I act.

is the gas chambers, it’s the people making lists of of other people for Nazis to kill, it’s the public beatings and total lack of freedom and justice for all.

And those are all actions that I will fight against. Being a Nazi it of itself is not an action, and doesn't necessitate those actions. I already talked about actions, you just ignored that paragraph other than the first two sentences.

Why? It accurately describes what society is.

Because a contract is a real thing in which explicitly defined parties of adults voluntarily consent to explicitly defined terms. The "social contract" is none of those things.