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I had someone steel this and change “butts” to “Christian” and weirdly enough, lengthen my skirt. Kept the flame boots, but no short skirts.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Too many people would change their minds based on what the sign says.

Does you reaction change if the sign read: "Black Lives Matter" or if it read "Back the Blue"?

Or one that says "Trans women are women" vs "trans women aren't women"?

Or "pineapple on pizza is ok" vs "pinapple on pizza is the work of the devil"?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Honestly, the first thing that I thought about was what if the sign had a slur word. Sure freedom of speech means say what you wanna say, that doesn't mean people aren't gonna sock you in the face.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

free speech ≠ hate speech

Everyone is allowed to have an opinion but if your opinion involves being a dick to certain people, keep it for yourselves.

In the comic above, no certain group is targeted so there's no reason to be offended.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago (3 children)

This comic is a dogwhistle for hate speech

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Pretty sure it was made by a left wing gay man whos existence was considered offensive to conservatives

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

if it was made by a left wing gay man then i guess they are both gay and dumb because they inadvertently made a comic that pushes narratives used to defend homophobia

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 years ago

No offense but based on what I'm hearing you need to study your history of censorship and left wing support of free speech in response to that censorship. And I mean government censorship, not reddit banning a right winger and them crying about it.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago

Hate speech is a cudgel used by reactionary's.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah it doesn't really make sense. "Butts" isn't offensive to anyone and no you don't have the right to offend a group of people.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Sure I do. Here's one:

All Republicans are either selfish, stupid, or evil.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Small nitpick, but stupid / evil suggests it's some static state of being, when it's a choice. Selfish is a good descriptor though, as is ignorant, greedy, bigoted, hateful, fascist...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

so when are you allowed to be offensive and when are you not?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

You always are, and people are always allowed to call you an asshole if they feel compelled to do so.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The problem with free speech is probs that what people are really fighting over is who gets to control and define what "free" speech is. Only in an anarchist society would free speech really be as you described - say what you want, but be prepared to face the consequences of your words (and actions). Without the protection of government and socio/economic hierarchies, bigots wouldn't feel quite as invincible while they spew hate and oppression.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)

We must not be tolerant to intolerance is the basis for me.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Thank you for that. Really informative and a fun read.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think I’m still of the mind that “intent to incite violence” is the line. And even that can be crossed when the government needs to be overthrown.

But I could be convinced otherwise

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Violence is extremely useful and will be the only tool you have left if you want to stop climate change or protect yourself+your social network from the effects of capitalism.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think climate change is beyond the point of violence. The number of people, corporations, and equipment involved in the production and consumption of fossil fuels is beyond what non-military action could take on. Not to mention you have to get people to filter between useful petrochemical products (medical supplies) and problematic ones (god damned plastic bags, mylar balloons, fuckin solo cups) and not just arson us back to the stone-age.

Things are gonna suck for a long time before they get better.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You're going to get violence anyway you want it to go down.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ideally political leaders will get the cocks out of their asses and realize that their children and grand-children WILL suffer through the most unusual chapter in human history. For sure it wont be the what most people go through but there will be a noticeable reduction the the quality of life for everyone.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Political leaders, especially in the anglosphere, have no interests beyond self-enrichment.