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The revived No JS Club celebrates websites that don't use Javascript, the powerful but sometimes overused code that's been bloating the web and crashing tabs since 1995. The No CSS Club goes a step further and forbids even a scrap of styling beyond the browser defaults. And there is even the No HTML Club, where you're not even allowed to use HTML. Plain text websites!

The modern web is the pure incarnation of evil. When Satan has a 1v1 with his manager, he confers with the modern web. If Satan is Sauron, then the modern web is Melkor [1]. Every horror that you can imagine is because of the modern web. Modern web is not an existential risk (X-risk), but is an astronomic suffering risk (S-risk) [2]. It is the duty of each and every man, woman, and child to revolt against it. If you're not working on returning civilization to ooga-booga, you're a bad person.

A compromise with the clubs is called for. A hypertext brutalism that uses the raw materials of the web to functional, honest ends while allowing web technologies to support clarity, legibility and accessibility. Compare this notion to the web brutalism of recent times, which started off in similar vein but soon became a self-subverting aesthetic: sites using 2.4MB frameworks to add text-shadow: 40px 40px 0px hotpink to 400kb Helvetica webfonts that were already on your computer.

I also like the idea of implementing "hypotext" as an inversion of hypertext. This would somehow avoid the failure modes of extending the structure of text by failing in other ways that are more fun. But I'm in two minds about whether that would be just a toy (e.g. references banished to metadata, i.e. footnotes are the hypertext) or something more conceptual that uses references to collapse the structure of text rather than extend it (e.g. links are includes and going near them spaghettifies your brain). The term is already in use in a structuralist sense, which is to say there are 2 million words of French I have to read first if I want to get away with any of this.

Republished Under Creative Commons Terms. Boing Boing Original Article.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago (2 children)

CSS is mostly evil when you have to center elements in the page.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 18 hours ago

Learn flex forget pixels and screen measurements.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

text-align: center

or

margin: auto

or

grid

or

flexbox

It's really not that hard now.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (5 children)

What if I still have to support IE6?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

I got you covered:

position: absolute;
left: 50%;
transform: translateX(-50%);
[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 hours ago

In a position relative parent

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Then quit your job and get one that doesn’t need to worry about stuff Microsoft doesn’t support anymore.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago

I made a promise, Mr. garretble: a promise. "Don't you make me use any other browser," said my nan; and I don't mean to. I don't mean to.

She's still using Windows XP.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Then your life choices should be of more concern then centering a div.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

then

Edit: to be clear, it should be "than".

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

How many different languages do you speak?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Two fluently, and maybe a tenth each of two more, why?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Because then you know that it isn't easy to keep on top of it all the time.

I would appreciate it if you wouldn't just point at my mistake but say what would be right and why. If you know, that is.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

Alright man, I didn't mean for it to hit so hard. I'm just trying to help. I assumed you were English-speaking because they are honestly the ones to most often make that kind of mistake. 😄 Sorry if I offended you.

Anyway, I edited my first comment there, before you replied last. So the correct thing is there now. 👍 (It should be "than".)

Love ya. 😙

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

Someone will thank you for your service. Not me, but someone.