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[–] Mohamed 12 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children)

I think it is more specifically electric planes as large as commercial airline passenger planes are impossible. It has a lot to do with battery mass to energy content ratio. Kerosine is about 46.4 MJ (megajoules) per kilogram. Lithium-air batteries, for example, only have about 6.12 MJ/kg.

So, that means you need 7 times as much battery (in mass) to have the same energy content of kerosine fuel. Naively, we can maybe say that means electric planes only have 1/6 of the range of an equivalent kerosine plane.[^]

Interestingly, lithium-air batteries theoretically have the largest possible energy density for any battery at 40.1 MJ/kg.

^ The calculations are really basic and probably only slightly reflect reality (since there are many other important factors. For example, Hydrogen has a lot more energy per kilogram than kerosine, but because it is much less dense, it has much less energy per m^3 than kerosine. This has made hydrogen gas very impractical for either internal-combustion engines, or planes), but I think it gives an idea of what the problem is.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago (3 children)

There are a lot of other factors. For example, electric motors with propellers are far more efficient than turbofans

A propeller driven airplane will also be substantially slower than a turbofan one, allowing for unswept wings and better aerodynamic efficiency

In reality, battery powered passenger planes aren’t impossible but they will definitely have a shorter range and slower speed. They are realistically only suited for regional routes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Perfect is the enemy of good. There are so many people at least here in Europe that fly easy-jet/ryanair 1h to 2h flights, these could all still work with propeller planes. But frankly I'm just wondering why I can't get subsidized trains that would be actually affordable. Right now it remains cheaper to drive all alone in my car than get an Eurostar ticket unless I planned it months in advance (spoilers: I can't plan months in advance most of the time with my work).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

Agreed. A plane that can do 200ish knots for a few hours could hit a nice sweet spot for a lot of routes

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