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Right because not being a shill for Xi makes me "pro-west." Please.
Remind me, what other socialist state is getting the world out from under the thumb of US hegemony?
Considering China is a capitalist state much like America, not sure!
Damn where is America imprisoning and executing billionaires alongside harsh anti corruption campaigns in the government, maybe I'll move there
I don't care if they're holding people accountable for corruption. Why does a country supposably aiming for socialism have BILLIONAIRES in the FIRST PLACE??
They have them as a byproduct of Deng's reforms which allowed rapid development of the means of production, they need to be managed of course and suppressed by the people's democratic dictatorship, which they are. Eventually development will reach the point where they are no longer useful and can be fully done away with.
Mhm keep telling yourself that hun. That's a lot of words for "trust us bro the hyper capitalism is temporary"
China is hyper capitalist for executing billionaires and regulating the shit out of businesses deemed harmful for society?
You're wasting your time. You can't argue with someone who's working backwards form a predetermined conclusion.
The point of Deng's reforms were to avoid getting killed in the crib by the west. Take their money and productive capacity in the short term to prevent them from couping/bombing you, and then when you've finished eating their lunch, you can do a socialist rug pull. Will it happen? Remains to be seen - but as for the capitalism, there are positive indications of tamping down on it. The anti-corruption purges are a great start. They rooted out many opportunist elements within the party, put the screws on capital and reasserted party primacy, and got the party back on track as a principled organization with serious cadre all around. That's a positive development and puts them in a stronger position to manage a transition to a worker's state when productive capacity and geopolitical conditions favor it.
In addition, some industries are being heavily restricted and reformed to prevent bourgeois saturation. Take education for example; foreign and private schools were rampant profit making/status manufacturing machines in China. These have been all but eliminated as for profit industries due to their misalignment with socialist development. This is just an example, not an exhaustive list.
Better that what your flavour of socialism is offering.
It's not in any sense "hyper" capitalism to begin with, it's a limited form of capitalism while the working class maintains political control via the CPC and the stage maintains ownership of the commanding heights of the economy, for starters. And since the CPC has made good on pretty much all of its stated goals (usually ahead of schedule) and consistently improved conditions for everybody in the country for decades on end, what reason do I have to doubt their process?
it was either embrace partial capitalism or get strangled out of the world economy. Deng's reforms brought a massive influx of foreign investment and expertise.
Lol fucking NORWAY is less capitalist than China.
The wealth of Norway depends on the imperialist white supremacist settler colonial extractive ventures of the West. The wealth of China does not. Simple as.
This isn't about wealth. Does Norway have 12 year olds in factories? Tell me why Norway gives workers 3x more paid time off? Don't you think China's rich enough to make things better for workers?
Literally yes, in third world countries.
They can afford to without the threat of economic domination by burgerstan, also see point 1 above.
China also is making things better for workers, moreso than America or even the declining Nordic states.
Oh I see, China can't afford human rights
Oh I see, human rights abuses are fine so long as you export them to non white countries.
Which China totally doesn't do too. FYI I'm not saying Norway is good.
You literally were saying that Norway was better because it exports its human rights abuses.
Marginally better =/= good.
So? You're still saying that human rights abuses are better when you export them into non-whites.
Show me where I said that.
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I take it you're turning into a corncob
Tf?
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Country girls make do?
It's a reference to a dril tweet
Fucking DISGUSTING holy shit
Yeah I agree that what Catholics do to children is disgusting.
Wtf since when was giving workers less paid time off as a state under siege than one of the richest imperialist profiteers a "violation of human rights".
By what metric?
Dogmatism and ideological purity are blinding you. It certainly should be a conversation about why billionaires exist in China, especially as they strengthen their safeguards against capital flight, but their existence alone does not discredit the great strides of progress China has made under SwCC in under a century. There are few examples of such a large mass of people seeing such substantive improvements in their lives. No matter the system, such dramatic change will result in unforseen consequences because there is so much change occuring. The measure of the response though is what is important: protecting themselves from capital flight, placing party leadership within corporations, focusing on carbon reduction through reduced pollution, tree planting, and alternative energy sources are all measurable ways the government is correcting. Where else do you see such response by those in power for their citizens? The Chinese approval for their government is incredibly high, and this is why
Is Chinese capitalism efficient, and has the government helped the people's material conditions (other than minorities/dissidents)? Yes. Are they aiming for socialism? No.
Counter point: yes they are.
So I gather that the relatively few dissidents in mainstream media is how you decide that there is excessive repression? Could it be that so many in China approve of their government that there just aren't many dissidents and those who do speak out aren't covered in the media you consume unless they face consequences?
As far as minorities, there has been progress for the LGBTQ+ community as well as religious minorities and other races. Could it be better and faster? Certainly, but that doesn't mean it's not happening or they are regressing.
As far as whether they are progressing towards socialism, if you believe Marx and Lenin, state capitalism is a necessary step towards communism and is generally accepted as 'socialism'. What do you then classify as socialism?
They've made infinitly more progress eliminating billionaires than your flavour of socialism has
Really wouldn't be that hard to make a wealth cap but ok, keep sucking off the CPC (Capitalist Party of China)
Ok, do it then.
If anyone good was in Xi's shoes they'd do a much better job. We don't even know his wealth because there's no transparency with the CCP, shit he's probably richer than Elon.
Counter point: he's doing better job than you ever could
Counter point: I would ban billionaires if I were a dictator
So do it then.
If I could control his mind for a week I'd do more for communism than he's done in his life.
Get Out (2017)
Again, you know nothing about my race or nationality.
Yeah we do.
How unsurprising that your idea of "true" Socialism requires you to use literal magic.
Even the US state dept admitted in leaked cables that Xi is not corrupt and does not care about money when they were trying to find his weaknesses lol