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This is religious discrimination, is that not against your rules? I'll be reporting either way
The fact that the Vatican operates as a massive, international pedo ring is an empirical fact. I don't give a shit about the theology one way or another.
It's, like, a very well-known thing to the point of being trite. Look at the countless coverups that got exposed, like in Boston. Given these things, how should I take it when Pope Francis says "Gossip is a worse plague than Covid"? etc.
It's not most churches. You don't think Protestant churches, Evangelical churches, synagogues, etc have the same scale problem?
Obviously he's talking about hate and discrimination.
A lot of those sects have less or nearly no central organizing. The Catholic Church particularly has a history of leveraging its central organizing to reassign abusers elsewhere and cover up their crimes.
That's a joke. Obviously he says those things pretty often, but he was being a lot more coy with the statement I'm talking about.
"Just trust the system, no need to bring in outsiders or warn other potential victims"
You want me to renounce my religion because some churches are abusive? Just admit you're Christianophobic
lmao relax, I'm not throwing anyone to lions. Even if I could, I'd pick a better target, so please climb down from that cross that you're waiting to be nailed to. I have met many Christian comrades and think the matter of liberation theology is a very interesting one.
What you do with the information I raise is your own choice, I don't give a shit, though I really think you shouldn't act as such an apologist for the Vatican, whether you see it as divine or not. I suppose though that if you do believe that Francis is the official spokesman for God, you are forced to choose between interpreting him as speaking about something else (and applying what he says in a deliberately narrowed frame) or else that he is seeking to prioritize the reputation of the Church over bringing abusers to justice. If your God protects pedophiles for the sake of the Vatican's reputation, it is what it is, but that's not up to me to interpret.
You are missing the "highly centralized" part of what I mean. It's not like I don't know about abuse cases in other churches, temples, etc., but most of those entities could get by only on being highly insular, whereas Catholic churches that are integrated into this central hierarchy benefit from having a huge number of potential conspirators elsewhere (see the Boston case as an example of this dynamic). In general, I think reducing insularity is a good enough answer, but for a systemic problem in such a highly-developed organization, the answer cannot be so simple or, frankly, gentle.
Yes, I am christianphobic. I am scared for my future due to your religions genocidal hatred of trans people.
Um, those are not true Christians.
I'm back to thinking this is a bit account. Forgive the misunderstanding.
then pull them into line, or remain a groomer.
get to it
You are a clown. Christianity is an evil hate cult that must be removed from this earth if humanity is to progress. Tear down every church. Jail every priest. Even that would not be revenge enough for what christians did to the rightful inhabitants of the Americas, or the people they genocided in the crusades, or the countless war-dead of the endless struggle of catholic and protestant nations of europe.
that man is not a Scot!
This is bait. There is no way this isn't bait.
But let's pretend this isn't bait. Read more about ``Liberation theology". Not the watered down liberal interpretation of it, but their theoretical marxist and anti-colonialist ideological corpus. Where they saw the "Great Satan '' in capitalism, their interpretation of reality through dialectic-materialism, their support for anti-colonialist movements and socialist revolutions.
They helped in Nicaragua, they opposed reactionary archbishops, they joined the guerrillas in the revolutionary process, they understood that Marxism wasn't the boogeyman the Department of State and The Vatican tried sold them.
Of course they were shunned by the Vatican and persecuted and killed during the 60-70-80 in Latin America (DSN and Operation Cóndor for more).
But hey, they knew who the real enemy was. And China (just like Cuba or Nicaragua) isn't the real enemy. Is an ally. A way to a better world.
Source: Michael Lowy - "El cristianismo liberacionista en Latinoamérica" en "Guerra de dioses. Religión y política en América Latina”,1999.
Get down off that cross, we need the wood, and your weird masturbatory persecution fetish is squicking people out.
Nooooo anything but reporting us to the mods
no, I'm pretty sure it's against our rules not to call a provable pedophile ring for what it is. that's not really much to do with religion, though.
Lmao criticizing the Catholic church for harboring pedophiles -- a well-established fact -- is in no way discrimination
this is the post that convinced me that this is a bit lol, amazing work