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Debian/Ubuntu/Mint users live their life and touch grass.
Grass? Sorry. Grass isn't reproducible.
My brother in ~~christ~~GNU+Linux, have you ever been outside?
It's incredibly long stretches of smooth sailing interspersed by brief intervals of banging my head against the desk.
...which generally isn't nix's fault it's just that fitting the absolute state that is python package management into something sensible is an exercise in futility.
Oh and occasionally I have to doctor around a bit during upgrades because my EFI partition is only 100MB, someone should have warned me. Deleting old generations and windows boot loader language packs and fonts generally does the trick.
Nix is hard, but great. I have seen Chris Titus' videos about it.
I mean, Fedora outside of the Flatpak-only Silverblue breaks a lot upon upgrades, last I checked recently on it. Fedora users do touch grass but breakage is an annoyance, and the whole Redhat drama... if you are okay with dealing with Fedora update breakages, then its cool.
I have had zero breakage on vanilla Fedora ever since switching to it years ago, it's probably the most stable yet cutting edge distro I have ever used. I seriously have no idea what you're talking about and would love to see some examples of this supposed frequent breakage.
same experience, I daily drive Fedora and it's my first linux distro. Have had a great experience especially after most of the software is on flatpak. Let's see how that telemetry proposal goes.
Fedora is famous for update breakage. Delusion is not helpful.
If it's so famous, it should be trivial to gather a bunch of the more egregious examples of general update/upgrade breakage. Again, would you mind linking to them? I can neither personally remember them, nor is Google any help.
All I can find are minor, individual, dependency issues that are common with absolutely every Linux distro. I'm actually a little surprised how few of those Google digs up.
It would be rather worrisome if the foundation for an industry behemoth like REHL would commonly suffer from the problems you, and only you, are claiming without any kind of evidence. So, please, end my "delusion" and show me the error of my ways by showing us these common issues.
Are these issues in the room with us right now?
Google is not going to give answers that exist in forums and reddit threads. Being in Linux community allows to see this. People usually just hop onto other distros without screaming too much, or will say the faintest hint in comments here and there. Fedora users are guinea pigs for RHEL, so RHEL does not exactly care as it is downstream.
Wow, "Google doesn't index Reddit, Linux Forums and Mailing Lists" is a new one. Good job, I genuinely can't tell if you're a master troll or an giant idiot.
Regardless, as someone who has been active in the Linux community since around ~97, I'm at least certain that you are full of shit.
I never said "Google doesn't index", so stop manipulating and putting words in others' mouths to prove your point. Google "cannot" index something easily that is worded in general in a way that says Fedora sucks, instead of Fedora crashes or whatever. Plenty users who avoid it, avoid it for this reason, as it is rolling release and not stable like Debian/Ubuntu. I do not have time to hunt each testimony, and even if I did, your attitude clearly is hellbent on proving that Fedora is absolutely stable on updates even outside Silverblue, and will not go out of your way to self crit and correct yourself if proven wrong. My time is better invested elsewhere.
That's a thing you said, and easily the dumbest thing I have read all day. Well, apart from almost everything else you have said, of course.
Sure, with that mountain of evidence you have provided to conclusively prove your point, I'm going to have take a nice, long, break from this 'discussion' and use it for self reflection.