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[–] apprehensively_human 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Ok so what's the solution to bad drivers? Take away their license? All of them, before they hurt somebody?

Take your average motorist and assume that half of them are worse than that. How exactly are these people supposed to exist without a car - without first changing the infrastructure?

Quick edit for context: cars are the worst and the sooner we stop relying on them the better. But steps have to be made to slowly make that transition.

[–] villasv 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Take away their license?

Not issue licenses for them in the first place. That's the intended purpose of licensing. I guess the solution to bad drivers is raising the bar on licensing.

[–] apprehensively_human 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That's still dodging the question about how they are supposed to live without being able to drive. Just having poor driving skills should not be enough to prevent someone from participating in society.

Unless you're lucky enough to have been born into a city with great public transit options, you're screwed without a car. That isn't fair.

[–] villasv 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You’re sidetracking a ridiculously simple issue. Having poor driving skills should prevent someone from driving. That’s as simple as it gets.

[–] apprehensively_human 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is far from a simple issue. We have built ourselves a way of life that entirely revolves around having access to a car. Taking away someone's car is akin to taking away their legs. Saying that they aren't allowed a license to begin with is a prison sentence.

I suggest that we need to make changes to city development that allows for alternate modes of transport such as walking and biking. Not just paths and sidewalks, but building the places you need to go closer to where you live.

[–] villasv 1 points 2 years ago

I’m all in for reducing car dependency, my friend. I was just stating the obvious, because that’s how licensing already works. I understand that we can’t raise the bar arbitrarily high until only stunt drivers are able to pass, and we didn’t define what a “bad driver” is anyway.

[–] corsicanguppy 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Oh, so simple! Why didn't anyone else think of that?

[–] villasv 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I always assumed everyone would think of that, @apprehensively_human exemplifies the contrary, apparently.

[–] alsimoneau 2 points 2 years ago

Yes. People should pass driver exams every 5 years, and police should be less lax with dangerous driving.