Of course, not Tomi Lahren though...
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Hey he has some good old episodes, I listen to them when I need white noise
There are plenty of other podcasts with great episodes that don't platform Nazis.
He doesn't platform Nazis. Unless you think somebody like Ben Shapiro is a Nazi, which in case you're an idiot, he doesn't do such a thing. Even if he did, then so what? He has all sorts of people on his show from Bernie Sanders to Bob Lazar to Elon Musk to Neil deGrasse Tyson to Mike Tyson. His incredibly wide range of guests is what makes his show interesting.
Yeah and? That doesn't erase the fact that he had really interesting guests, in fact I love that aliens/DMT phase, even if the rest is straight up garbage.
There is no more nuance on the world? Are we are now living in a black and white world?
the "alien/DMT phase" was literally the conspiracy and Alt-right pipeline
Yeah, Joe Rogan describes himself as a liberal. He has guests who he thinks will be interesting, not who he agrees with. I understand the idea of wanting to know what makes those people tick.
There is still a great point to be made that he's giving awful people a large platform to spew hateful or wrong messages to millions of people, and while Rogan often plays devil's advocate, he doesn't do much to delegitimize people who don't deserve to be taken seriously.
Ultimately, I think that Rogan does more harm than good because he allows hateful and stupid people to influence his audience.
He literally has the most listened to podcast in the US and by a huge mile. It's stupid to generalize his audience as well as his guests. His list of guests is comically huge and so diverse that it's hard to wrap your head around. He has guests ranging from Bernie Sanders to Elon Musk to Mike Tyson to Neil deGrasse Tyson to Kevin Hart to Bob Lazar. That's why people find his podcast so interesting, and the fact that he's good conversationalist makes it easy to understand why his podcast is as popular as it is. The amount of guests he had that could be described as genuinely hateful is miniscule, and even then it's better to listen to them and understand how their views came to be than to remain ignorant and pretend that you know everything about them based on what others told you. It's not his place to legitimize or delegitimize people. That's up to the individual in the audience to decide. He's just there to have a fun conversation with interesting people and provide an hour or two of entertainment.
When the nazis start marching, no, there's no room for nuance. You squash them, grind them to dust, and do the same for all their supporters.
Are the nazis with us in the room right now?
Hahahahahaha so tough, Nazis are running at this instant at your virtual threat.
Where are these nazis.... Im living the same as i always have.... Not really seeing any burning crosses around 🤔
Not a big news follower, are ya?
You wanna show me the news with rampant increae of nazism impacting daily life? Or just cry that people are saying words...
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/neo-nazis-thriving-florida-ron-desantis-1234824505/
Hahahaha the FBI cosplaying Neo-Nazis doesnt mean Nazism is running rampant through the streets of America. Nice try tho
Ah fascists, so predictable. There are no real Nazis! Any evidence is fake! Probably planted by the Jews, too!
I mean, continue to live in fear then? Be afraid of the rise of Nazism and lose more of your freedoms trying to fight it.
I'm not afraid of people saying they believe a ludicrous ideology(Nazism). Ive never met a Nazi, laws aren't changed by Nazis, if i lived in Florida I'd move away.
Stop crying online its cringe af
Unless you lived in Germany in the 1930s.
"How could the Holocaust have happened??" While legitimate neo-nazis gain significant footholds in Western nations yet more than a few are willing to say 'Well they haven't told you who to hate, yet' (unironically). 'Well, we don't have any concentration camps,' ignoring that we detain and deprive significant rights from immigrants. 'Well, we're hardly a fasciest nation!', disregarding the fact that our prior and still popular president attempted at every point of legality to overthrow a democratic election.
That isn't even taking into consideration that an alarming number of people are willing to show up to protests and parades with NAZI FLAGS AND ARMBANDS. Anyone who pretends like there isn't alarming positive Nazi sentiment in America is dumb or complicit.
Well, that would be the KKK so it explains why you haven't noticed Nazis if that's what you're looking for.
That was a solid joke...sorry for the downvotes.
I was going to leave it at that but it seems internet warriors are incapable of understanding a joke just as their conservative counterparts are unable to understand satire... So it's just a bunch of morons in a different political spectrum, and I love to provoke morons.
In a lot of ways this place is worse than Reddit. This is one of them.
I have to confess that I don't really know who Joe Rogan is, sorry.
He was the electrician in the 90s sitcom NewsRadio. Then he told people to eat weird stuff for a while. Now he's just super into drugs and platforming right-wing nutjobs as far as I can tell.
But NewsRadio was pretty great.
OK. Never heard of NewsRadio. Sorry.
So as far as I'm concerned, he's yet another Internet lunatic with a following of cretins peddling the usual (I suppose)..
I sometimes wonder what the hippies would have made of the Internet. Would they have spread love through the fibre?
A lot of hippies are now into Q-anon and shit. It's really sad.
There's still plenty of people who were hippies in the 60s around and on the internet today... No need to wonder... Find one and ask them.
bro jogan?
Maybe.
I don't know how to put this, maybe it's just me, I know that nowadays it seems weird…
But if a link is a video, I just close it.
If it's text, I can parse it and get a feel for it because I've spent a lifetime browsing text.
You can't browse video.
You can't search video.
You can't have an overview of video.
Video plain sucks for almost everything.
Video is great for monetization.
Unless you can't read. Videos suck.
I can read.
Sorry about the rant. I'm really pissed off about the video everywhere trend. So, anyway, I don't watch videos.
A simple 'wrong' would've done just fine...
I'm not going to reply with videos, you sicko.
You right now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCMxnS1438g
Tl;Dw
I don't go out of my way to listen to him, but some of his episodes with people like Neil Degrasse Tyson and Brian Cox come up in my YouTube feeds. As long as Rogan isn't talking then they're ok.
And that is exactly the problem. He did some episodes with reputable media figures/science communicators, so it seems to a naive listener, like these are just regular interviews. And then he has a bunch of weirdos that just spout conspiracies, bullshit and hate, but since it's in the exact same style as the interviews with reputable people, a naive listener might assume that the conspiracy nut is as trustworthy as all the other people. And that's dangerous.
The appeal of his show is that he has a wide range of guests who are all willing to sit down and have a fun conversation. His podcast isn't NPR, and he has no reason to exclusively seek out "reputable" people. He said many times that he hosts people who he thinks are interesting enough to have a conversation with. Besides nobody in their right mind thinks that Bob Lazar is as reputable as Neil deGrasse Tyson or Alex Jones is as reputable as Jon Stewart. The naive listener that you're talking about doesn't exist anywhere but in your head.
Sorry, but this is utter garbage.
Rogan's audience are primarily young men. They have no idea, who Lazar is, not because they're stupid, but because they are young and Lazar simply does not exist in their world - because he's fringe. But since Rogan does not object even the most outrageous arguments, for someone who knows nothing about a field, this can seem pretty plausible - that guy's an expert after all.
... and then takes every of their arguments at face value. If he'd be even a tiny bit of a journalist, he would ask actual questions and maybe even contextualize some of their arguments. He treats even the most obscure, deranged ufologist just like a proper astrophysicst. And that is what adults call false balance.
He legitimizes dangerous people, his stupidity is not a persona - he is actually stupid. That's extremely problematic.
As a contrast: In Germany there's a podcast called Jung&Naiv (young & naive), where the host plays a naive young person and asks naive, seemingly stupid questions, and he has a pretty wide range of guests. But in actuality he is not stupid and unprepared, but highly intelligent and actually really really well prepared - he managed to force the ukrainian ambassador to be recalled for not being willing to admit that a ukranian nazi in WW2 was, in fact, a nazi.
Somehow I highly, highly doubt that your average typical 20 year old is going to seriously think that a guy talking about spooky aliens in area 51 is an expert, let alone accept what they say as true. Even in the extremely rare off chance that somebody does believe someone like Bob Lazar, they're literally a 10 second Google search from figuring out that he's a nut. Again, the premises that you give don't exist anywhere but in your mind. If you can figure out that Bob Lazar is a nut and I can figure out he's a not, then so can anybody else.
He's not a journalist... I'm not sure why you're having difficulty grasping this. His podcast is not about fact checking his guests or grilling them with hard questions or making them uncomfortable. His podcast is literally about having interesting conversations with interesting people. Like normal, lighthearted, organic conversations.
No he doesn't. I'm sure you listen to a few podcasts and watch a few TV talks shows, do you legitimize every guest that comes on them? If you don't then it's the same for others, and if you do really legitimize every person you see on the shows you consume then your statement applies more to you than to him.
Again, Joe Rogan's podcast is not meant to be political or journalistic or anything of that nature. It's meant to be interesting and entertaining. You can't compare it to some political podcast in Germany because they're not even the same thing. It's like questioning why Family Guy isn't like Painting with Bob Ross. Like yes, they're both podcasts, but they do completely different things, serve different audiences, and have different intentions behind them.
That's why his podcast is as popular as it is. He's a very good conversationalist, he knows how to navigate through a conversation while letting the guests do most of the talking.