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letting the loser of a free and fair election stoke violence without consequence is bad precedent. enforcing the law is good precedent.
Copied from another comment you didn’t read.
No it's bad precedent.
Colorado barely had a majority on the decision, three other states ruled differently and Trump hasn't been convicted of anything yet in Congress or in court.
Do we want the pre-election period filled with both sides trying to disqualify the other side's nominee just because they have a majority in their state's Supreme Court?
depends, did the other side's nominee engage in an insurrection in flagrant violation of the constitution?
Thanks for taking the time to consider what I was saying.
His point was that Trump hasn't been convicted yet. Even though he obviously invited an insurrection, legally he hasn't until he's convicted.
If we set this precedent pretty soon Republicans will be flooding Democrats with bullshit "insurrection" allegations to get them off of ballots. If they have enough control in their state's supreme Court they might even succeed.
Republicans are already talking about it.
It’ll turn into the impeachment fiasco where they try to impeach every president.
Also every time the democrats do stupid shit. Trump becomes more popular
I think it is more that Biden temporarily loses support and Trump stays the exact same.
He doesn't gain support.
Republicans need to start talking about policy and how they will govern but that's typically where they fall apart.
That is the big flaw of the Republican Party right now. Their policy is stop the democrats. That’s a stupid policy.
I want to see each party create a policy then meet In the middle. I fully support abortion and it irritates me the republicans for the most part have taken a radical stance on it.
Compromise isn’t weakness. It’s strength.
You repeatedly call the Democratic Party and their voters Nazis but you want to meet them in the middle?
There is no other option. Just fighting them doesn't lead to any solution for anyone. Republicans will slowly lose power not because their ideas are bad but because their only goal is to block the Democrats.
The world is not black and white. There is a grey area where you have to compromise to be successful as a country.
If the world is not black and white and you want to work together how is calling Democrats and their voters Nazis helping that?
You have to be aware of what they are and negotiate. Remove their fascist parts and move forward. We can't change the two party system by just not doing anything.
What if you start by taking off your partisan blinders and start treating all groups like actual people?
You'll find people treat you a lot better if you don't start off by calling them Nazis, especially if it's completely unjustified.
Don’t be a fascist and you won’t be labeled one. You don’t think trying to suppress Trump doesn’t ring a little fascist? Have you read the New York case? It’s an absolute joke. The Judge is arguing Trump used sales numbers vs tax numbers. No shit. Everyone does. The form even states that. The democrats have went bonker over things like women’s rights by denying women their rights. They want schools to lie to parents. Until they stop acting like fascist. I won’t stop referring them as fascist.
What have I done to be labeled a fascist?
Have I treated you with any disrespect?
and I have not called you a fascist. Now if you are a Democrat, maybe you didn't realize the rampant overt racism in the party, the misogyny, and other traits but you have never said you were a Democrat.
Just like as a Republican I have to be aware of their anti-abortion stance, which does appear to be misogyny as well.
That's what I'm talking about, to try to start treating other people as people instead of a group of people that you've defined in your own mind, maybe without any evidence or reason.
The evidence is there. I gave you a citation for it and several explanations such as the recent courts piling on Trump.
The fascists (Democrats) are scared of Trump winning and are trying to block him from running. That is what fascists do.
They should stop giving him the limelight and just let people make their decisions. If left alone, I think Trump would lose. He isn't popular with the Democrat or the Republicans base.
How can you say he's not popular with the Republican base in good faith?
He's the leading nominee and always has been.
As I've said before the conservatives have made him the definition of their party.
Yes popular with people who like Trump.
If you look at most the republicans, he’s not overly popular. I’m not a fan. Most republicans I know are not fans. Maga republicans are not the standard republican.
Now I’ll support him over Biden but I don’t feel he’s a conservative or a really a republican. He is most likely going to be the candidate.
Read the article I posted about it.
How is he the leading republican nominee if he is not overly popular.
Trump - 62.0% DeSantis - 12.8% Haley - 10.8%
I think there's a lot of people who are too embarrassed to admit they like him, personally.
Haley is a standard Republican. Trump has a cult following of people who have invaded the party. Trump originally was going to run as a Democrat but didn't get the nomination. He then switched to Republican where he did.
Had he received the Democrat nomination, the Maga people would have gone Democrat.
The people who vote for Biden, would vote for almost any Democrat. THe people who vote for Trump, most likely wouldn't vote Republican otherwise. I know several life long Democrats who voted for Trump. Other than Trump, they don't like Republicans. He is so disliked, that Republicans were openly telling people to vote for Joe Biden.
https://newrepublic.com/article/175331/never-trump-republicans-actually-just-democrats-now
It's why I don't want Trump to win I want a traditional Republican like Haley to win.
While there are things I like about De Santis, there are things I don't like about him. He comes off as very petty.
I know you really like talking about Biden, but the question was about Trump so let's stay on topic.
Are you saying that 62% of GOP members would be democrats if Trump was on that side?
No. I never said but there would be an increase
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obama–Trump_voters
So what percent of GOP voters would go to the other side if Trump did?
We from the article I cited. About 11-15%
That would be devastating for the GOP to lose 11-15% of their voters.
But your numbers don't work. You say GOP was invaded by MAGA. You say MAGA is 11-15% of GOP voters. Where does Trump's other 47% (62-15) support come from?
Not my numbers. Did you read the cite?
I'm asking about the discrepancy in the numbers you are supplying to me in this conversation.
Don't deflect, unless you have no respect for me or this conversation at all.
Well, don't make things up. I didn't create the article. I cited it. Read the article as it answers your question.
I have read the article, it doe not explain the differences in the numbers you've supplied to me.
Telling me I'm making stuff up is not respectful, civil or furthering this conversation in any way and might even be against this community's rules.
I'd be interested to see what BlameMeta's take on that it.