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The Minsk agreement died when Russia invaded. Asking Ukraine to follow it now is a cruel joke. As for normalizing relationships, Russia has scuttled that. There's no normalizing relationships with an occupier.
You are right that the Minsk agreement died when Russia entered the war. But it was in effect for 8 years, and Ukraine refused to implement any part of it. Instead they killed civilians in Donbass.
It was never in effect on either side. Read over it some time. The separatists didn't keep their promises, the Ukrainian government didn't keep theirs.
You are just spewing generalist phrases because you dont know any of the details. Just read the relevant document and we can discuss it point by point, but not like this. OSCE reports are also a good resource.
Why do you feel the need to constantly make comments that are completely at odds with the facts?
Speaking of facts, where did the claim that his 2019 platform included implementation of the Minsk agreement come from? He has a platform and the only mention of the general subject is the complete return of Ukrainian territory. I've been combing the Internet for statements to the contrary and I'm coming up with nothing.
As for whether what I just said was "at odds with the facts", it was not. Even if he did run on making nice with Russia in 2019, that was three years ago before a wholesale invasion. May I remind you, you were in disbelief with the invasion started. I was pointing out the elephant in the room, that the situation has changed.
here you go, it's literally like the first hit on google https://theconversation.com/ukraine-window-opens-for-peace-in-the-donbas-after-volodymyr-zelenskiy-agrees-to-election-plan-124605
What you said is absolutely at odds with the facts. There were two separate Minsk agreements, both of which Ukraine ignored at the encouragement of their western sponsors.
And I did think that the war would not make sense for Russia, I gave clear reasoning for why I thought that. Clearly Russia decided that the cost of the war outweighed the alternatives. I'm not sure what elephant you claim to have been pointing to.
So... that article doesn't support your claim at all. For one, it is from several months after the election. It also doesn't say anything specifically about him supporting the Minsk agreements. It just said that he supported holding elections in the Donbass region after combatants have left the area.
The Minsk agreements are dead. If you want more proof of that, Putin himself made the claim right before rolling tanks into Ukraine in an invasion that had clearly been planned well in advance.
So, that literally supports my claim in the first paragraph:
That's basically what the Minsk agreement is in case you weren't aware. Minsk agreements are dead now, but Russia and Donbas tried to get them implemented for 8 years.
So again, it was not part of his platform since this came months after his reelection. Also, there was a lot more to both Minsk agreements. Zelenskyy support was hinged on Russia and its proxies getting out of the occupied territories as the primary objective. Clearly Russian proxies have no interest in disarming and Russia has every intention of continuing to occupy Crimea and the Donbass region, if not completely annexing Donbass as well.
The Minsk agreement is pretty short, so please point out what you mean by "a lot more". I will ignore the rest of your comment because it is just baseless, ideological rambling.
He very clearly ran on reunification and ending the conflict on Donbas which ultimately meant implementing Minsk agreements. Anybody who knows anything about Ukraine knows this. You have absolutely no clue regarding the subject you're discussing.