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My generation is so fucked. Between looming climate collapse, rising inequality, inaccessible housing market, it just feels like shit isn't worth even trying for.
We can't even get a small amount of our student loans discharged when prior generations paid basically nothing for them. What a joke
We can’t even get a small amount of our student loans discharged when prior generations paid basically nothing for them. What a joke
the fact that it's a 6-3 decision is the real meme here. clearly signals that literally no argument would have convinced the conservative majority here--they will always strike this down. real change on this front necessitates making the court irrelevant or just ignoring it at this point.
Right across ideological lines. It seems unlikely to get politics and ideological beliefs out of the Supreme Court any time soon. The states had no standing in the first place, I'm surprised it didn't get thrown out just due to that.
The overreach by this court has been disasterous, especially in light of the unethical behavior by justices to accept gifts from would-be plantiffs without recusing themselves.
Canada's wildfires are currently 11x worse than they were at the same time last year. And 21x times worse than the average over the past decade. The world's on fire and everything's fucked. Feeling really defeated today.
I refuse to believe this decision was influenced, in any way, by any actual consideration of the U.S. Constitution. There's no reasonable interpretation of that document which would provide sufficient justification to rule the relief plan unconstitutional. This was a political decision, pure and simple, by a government body that is supposed to be apolitical. Just like every other branch of government, the judiciary has become corrupted by billionaire donors and turned into a polarized mockery of its original intent. No wonder public opinion of the Supreme Court is in the toilet. They're no better than Congress these days.
But they won't force the fkers that took out PPP loan out on all of the younger people stuck with student loan and further cause inflation to get worse.. I am honestly at the point where I think all of the younger generations need to band together, stop paying taxes and tell the government to just fk off already, they are not a legitimate government institute since they don't represent the will of the people and that we should establish a new government to replace it (using constitution and laws from saner country.)
We legitimately have tried to change this country through Bernie Sanders and instead only for DNC to say, "Lol fk all of you, Hillary Clinton!" in such a non-democratic notation and then they basically hand over the election to Trump and consequentially the 3 Supreme Court Positions to basically permanently screw us over. Even if we voted to get all of the Democrat's majority chairs in congress, they did nothing with it.
I'm tired of all of the double standards, some of my friends have been killed by this institute, because they went homeless, didn't get the medical coverage and all that during covid. To everyone telling people to go and vote, sure, but as long as the current political system is in place, America's only destiny is to further radicalize to the extremist right and democrat party is helping them do it. American government is NOT legitimate and it's not a democracy.
/rant
Bernie or busters are what got us into this situation in the first place, get the fuck off of your high horse and vote.
It's hard to predict if Bernie would have beaten Trump. The GOP likely has a binder full of opposition research ready to go if Bernie had become nominee, with enough "scandals" and "socialist scare quotes" to mobilize their base even more. Meanwhile, Sanders didn't even get more votes in the primary.
And yes, Trump winning in 2016 was a huge blow, with a lot of momentum from things like the Comey investigation and a more divided left base than on the right.
But it's not fair to say that we should turn our back on politics, as this is exactly what causes the "will of the people" to not be heard. If young people want to be heard, they should vote in the same numbers as the older generations, and think strategically about which choices bring the highest benefit in the real world. Voting for someone who represents your ideals with no chance of winning is worse than voting for someone who only partially represents them but has an actual chance of winning. At least until first past the post is eliminated.
The best form of protest a young person can do is leaving America. No need to lie flat when you speak English and have an American passport. Hell, depending on the country you could probably even get away with not paying your student loans (and that living situation gives you a lot of leverage if you wanted to renegotiate your loan)
It's quite okay to bail out corporations all day long (2008/2009 great recession, 2020 pandemic) to the tune of billions and billions of dollars, but don't even think of helping normal people. Ever.
This just proves it's VERY important to vote and allowing someone like Trump to have 3 court picks has clearly been disastrous in many decisions made by this court.
The major question doctrine acts as a “get-out-of-text-free card” that conservative justices make “magically appear” whenever they see an executive branch policy that goes against their ideological “goals,” Justice Elena Kagan wrote in a dissent in the 2022 case of West Virginia v. EPA.
Apparently legislating from the bench is fine for Conservatives as long as you make up your own judicial doctrine as justification.
I don't know how we fix the problems we face. The court is seated by politicians, Congress is seated by grifters and ideologues,, and the people are too defeated/controlled to make meaningful changes.
I really hate the state of the Supreme Court atm. Looking back, it wasn't a legitimate institution from the beginning, but the current 6-3 court shows how flawed it is, being out of line with public opinion in loads of different cases and effectively legislating from the bench via judicial review.
The only reason it has gotten this bad, though, is because Congress has abdicated its responsibilities as a legislative body and left it more and more to executive orders and court decisions. The entire debate around the Dobbs decision could have been avoided if Dems codified abortion into law, and this one could have avoided too if our Congress actually went to work legislating a solution to the ongoing student loan and college affordability crisis.
I think we need supreme court reform. I'm particularly partial to the idea of having a rotating bench pulled randomly from the lower courts each term, with each party in Congress getting a certain amount of strike outs to take people off that they don't want, similar to the way jurors are selected. I also think the people should be able to overrule the court via referendum, because ultimately we should decide what the constitution says.
I just can't see this happening though, at least for multiple decades until the younger people today get into political power.
We would probably have a better Supreme Court even if we had arbitrary requirements that make little sense but would be a better alternative to what we have now. For instance:
All Justices must have the name Horatio (either a given name or by name change). No last names.
Twenty years of experience required in horticulture, which because of the forementioned name change, is more like horatioculture.
Must have read at least 3000 books of any type.
Can juggle an arbitrary amount of oranges on demand.
Has combat experience in either blunt or bladed weaponry in the event of a zombie apocalypse, with a skill level scaled to their age. Alternatively, skilled in the occult and necromancy (to turn the undead).
Can create rhythmic song related to the laws being discussed in the event of spontaneous musicals.
That's cool I just won't pay them. What are you gonna do, not let me buy a house? Oh you mean some shit I'm not able to do anyways? Okay. :)
the real answer is they'll garnish your wages
I'm full of rage, the law means nothing we have no rights, fuck the courts, any petty revenge I can pull to get some type of catharsis I will until the loans are paid off; so for the rest of my life. If anyone has any play to be of mild annoyance, let me know I have one purpose and it's to fuck shit up.
I’m sooooo disappointed, but also sooooo not surprised.
Legally, Biden did have weak legal ground, but also legally then the decision shouldn’t have been allowed because the states who sued had, with unanimous decision by the Supreme Court, no legal ground at all.
NPR reports that the Biden admin will have a response and plan announced soon.
I listen to NPR but their impact statement is weak sauce... I'm sorry it sounds like 6 figure speak.
Impact: Roughly 1 in 8 Americans will have to restart loan payments as soon as September.
Nothing to see here folks, just move along. No, the impact is people choosing between food and meds, the mental burden of loans on their neck (after being told by every fiber of the US that education = more income), further inability to purchase housing, choosing between rent and living in a car.
But irongamer student loans didn't cause all that! No, they are just another shovel load of dirt on the grave of the American dream. Many of these individuals are increasing their education so they can afford food AND meds, or afford to own a home let alone rent these days. Many other individuals are increasing their education to move humanity forward in technology, humanities, and sciences.
But irongamer they took the loans on themselves! Sure, with the pressure of just about every fiber of the US saying get an education to make a difference or make more money. Worse yet are those that are attempting to help the country by continuing their education, only to have the system (honestly mostly republicans) spit on them during an event like a pandemic.
The timing is perfect for republicans to play their economic down turn card when repayments start late this year. Watch for that card late this year or early next year after 43 million repayments start.
So, folks get back to making payments to your yacht lord. Think of the poor fellow with 4 houses and the inability to exist in all of them at once! Weep for the individual that can already put food on the table and afford the meds to treat their ills.
It is just a loan restart... nothing to see here.
Government by the 1%. For the 1%.
Disappointed but can't say I'm terribly surprised.
I'm in my mid-40s and I didn't go to college -- I was one of the last generations where you didn't HAVE HAVE HAVE to have an advanced degree to qualify for something like an admin assistant position.
I truly hope that the younger generations take this as an opportunity to stand up for themselves and stop feeding into the notion that everyone needs advanced degrees. It's absurd. If no one has a degree, then they can't demand that people have degrees. Degrees should be for engineers, doctors, people with advanced careers. Past that, it's simply a money making scheme for colleges and a bullshit bill of goods that they're selling to people who cant, and shouldn't have to, pay for it.
I’m blessed in that I was able to go to college for free, but I still think we should help out those who are drowning in debt. It’d be good for the economy too, more people would be able to spend money on luxuries rather then just on debt
Nooooooo.
Why can't we have anything nice???
Stack the courts now
Looks like there’s at least some safety net from Biden. https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/29/biden-safety-net-student-borrowers-00104131
Still, this whole decision is absurd. It’s sad that SCOTUS decisions are effectively bought and sold with this court.
He should be dropping interest rates to zero. If this is his idea of a saving grace when his original promise didn't pan out, he's got another thing coming. This is a joke that makes it seem like he expected this outcome and didn't really have a problem with it.
When will these motherfuckers actually fight for us?
Just in time for the republicans to blame Biden for the economic down turn late this year, early next year, after payments restart for 43 million.
What's that saying? Good luck getting blood from a stone...