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[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Makes sense to teach the basics of most popular religions and those locally/culturally relevant. It's just useful information. Helps in understanding other people.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Here's how it goes down:

Do you want to teach various creation myths and explanatory myths? That stuff goes into cultural anthropology, or if there's enough of it, such as Hellenic mythology, then a literature class, but then it's cross referenced with the values of the age. No-one wants their modern religion taught as mythology right next to others that are regarded as ancient superstition.

Do you want to teach existential questions and morality? Awesome! We have entire school departments dedicated to philosophy. Typically 101 is an intro to existentialism and 102 is an intro into morality. And both of them move beyond religion in the very first chapter. The thing is, religions assert their positions on why are we here? and are property rights evil by mere assertion. Ministries say we have the authority, and you obey. and might even back their position up by scripture. But none of this really answers either why or how we know and even Descartes (a devout follower of the Church) couldn't find a sufficient answer to his own evil demon except to assume by God is good by default (rather than God being a construct by which a corrupt Church might manipulate their flock). Religion turns out to be a starting point for our purpose, the point of everything and right and wrong, but where we end up after the enlightenment is far beyond the apologists.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Just teach the basics about major world religions

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

That’s how they did it at my college in the Netherlands, which has ‘Christian’ in the name but really isn’t religious at all.

You basically got a primer on the big religions as well as some of the fringes. This was part of my journalism degree. I am fully atheist but honestly didn’t mind since it was just factual information.

They also encouraged us to at least once visit a church, synagogue, mosque, etc. The ONLY one they didn’t want us touching was Scientology after they had some negative experiences in prior years.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

okay but the problem with teaching pretty much anything in schools is that the kids don't care, they don't want to be there, they don't care about the subject matter, and how are you going to fit all of the world's religions into an elementary school class? And expect the kids to care or comprehend it?

I vaguely remember the Mormons briefly being mentioned in a history textbook in high school. maybe one paragraph in the whole textbook. It barely scratched the surface and I would not have remembered it at all if the Mormons hadn't sucked me in & warped my brain for a decade in my 20s.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Kids don't want to be there or learn most of the stuff being taught. Somehow we manage

[–] SorryQuick 3 points 1 year ago

In Quebec we have a course like that in grade 4 of high school (~15 years old). I certaintly didn’t care, hated everything religious back then. But now if you ask me what the Torah is, somehow I remember it’s the Jewish bible.

It wasn’t about “all the world’s religions” really, but only the big 5, which we’d spend a fifth of the school year on each. I’d say that’s acceptable and despite being an atheist, I’m still glad I got that course. Now if we could have had an economy course instead of poetry…

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Ironically I would support religious studies in schools. BUT...

Only if they teach ALL of them. And I mean all. Like ancient Greek, Roman, Indigenous, Pagan, Hindu...

I mean let's teach kids how long this bullshit has been going on for, how many different ideas there are and how the only positive thread amongst them is the idea that we are all one.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Here in Sweden I had a mandatory religious class. They teaced about Hindu, Buddhism, Christianity and so on. We pretty much learned of all the "major" religions and i would say it was pretty beneficial to us all. Did it have shortcomings? Yes, but it was better to get a broad perspective on things instead of just one thing to be teached as "true". We also had history parallel with religion which tied them both together pretty nicely.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Without taking too much liberty, can make an assumption? Sweden has a high level of secularism because of this eclectic education when it comes to religious teaching.

Would that be your assessment?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would say that it is probably one of the reasons. Another is that you are just not thaught about religion as a way of living and more just like any other subject like physics or history. It's more of a objective look at it and what makes up that religion. Like, Hinduism believes a and therefore does b while Christianity believes c and therefore does d and so on.

It also helps not being raised by religious people of course.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I thought It might be. I think it would be good if the US adopts this approach.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's what we did at my Highschool. Our prof taught us about various religion, including Lavey's Satanism.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Grew up in the UU (Unitarian Universalist) Church and I'm eternally grateful that this was the religious education they offered.

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[–] Pyr_Pressure 2 points 1 year ago

I agree. Also if someone wants to be religious, they should know about all the options out there and decide what fits their views best instead of being railroaded into the religion of their family.

It's like being born into a Republican family and never being exposed to the views of democrats, you just always vote Republican because it's what your family has told you is the way to do it.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I demand all school children submit to Zeus.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How dare you?! It's Jupiter or nothing!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Spoiler, they're the same God. Kinda mirrors the trio of current religions we got going...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

As a reformed 2nd caucus of 1297 latter day zeusian, how dare you lump me in with them.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Where I live you can choose between a mainsteam religion or ethics class.

Since my parents didn't have to decide it I always choosed ethics, in order to don't have to deal with hyper religios teachers, who only belive in "the one true religion", in the end I had to deal with them anyway

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Same here, but my parents chose that I go to Religion class until they had no say in that anymore (age of 14 where I live). Then I opted for ethics.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I think a course covering religion should be taught in schools. Roughly the way I would structure it is 2x a week for 12 weeks. 10 weeks on the 10 biggest religions of the world, 1 week on a religion that is not in the top ten globally but it locally important or historically important to the area, and 1 week teacher's choice.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sounds like you want religious studies and not theology. It is taught many places but usually first appears in high school or you can get degrees in college. I can't speak for how they break down their study guide, I'm sure they all vary a bit.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

would be good for cultural awareness if nothing else. You could mix and match the concepts you like from each religion so you take something away from it.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Of course all religions. And they should also point out the ways people abused then as well as how the ideas may have been misinterpreted.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Those who want religious dogma taught as truth want their own doctrine taught. And just as they'll crab about Zarathustra, they'll complain about unitarianism. They'll proclaim univocality and literalism when scripture has neither of these properties according to the academic consensus.

Teaching religion as established truth is indoctrination, and religious ministries commonly have no qualms about it, admitting their own access to truth is only by assertion and fiat, and through no other authority than force.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is what happens in the UK. We have religious studies in high school, and all the main ones across the world religious are taught.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I really enjoyed RS GCSE. It was the thing that best equipped me to interact with the many, many other cultures I've encountered in the real world and in my industry.

I have almost nothing else nice to say about the British education system but they definitely got this right.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Only the one true religion!!! ( Their's)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

The education system is a system of the state and the state should be athiest to allay the fears of all incompetent morons who believe in imaginary friends.

All religions spend billions a year to make and maintain their own places of business (church/mosque/synagogue/etc), if they want to continue lying and manipulating their children they can do so on their own dime.

Everyone pays for the education system and the education system needs to remain objective and teach empirically researched FACTS.

If people want their religious texts read in school it can be done in a philosophy or fictional literature course.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sure, we can teach all of them. You know, Baptist, Methodist, Episcopal, Presbyterian...all types!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

They'd just kill each other.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

All or none, there is no in between.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Sure there is. In fact let's do both. Start "none" because religion doesn't belong. At all. Anywhere.

Then let's do "All" under "history."

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Yes. Only mine, which is none.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

All. It is good to know the history of the world and have a basic grasp of spirituality

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

The only true God is Cloister the Stupid, who will lead us to Fushal, the Promised Land!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think exceptions should be made for private schools. If you want to send your kid to a school that teaches your particular brand, go ahead. Publicly funded schools should be bound by the 1st amendment though.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The school still has to satisfy the standards of the state it is in. No "intelligent design" in biology class, for example. It can have additional classes though.

Also, no public money, like vouchers, should be accepted in such schools.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The problem is when private schools get government funding, say through subsidies or voucher systems.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

The existence of private schools incentivizes religious government officials to defund public schools.

If public schools aren't going to teach what they want, they'll remove funding from them.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Just the correct one obviously!

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