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I am one of the admins of Beehaw and I'm trying to get some feedback on our potential move.

Let's start out with a little Beehaw history before judgements are passed, please.

A handful of us were beta testing Tildes when we decided to have discussions on a Discord server.

We decided that our 'Northern Star' or guiding principle would culminate as 'Be Nice' with purposefully vague/flexible interpretations. Our overall goal is to provide a safe space to disenfranchised persons.

We talked for a little over a year and some of our members became impatient. Then someone stepped in to suggest a couple of platforms that we could consider getting started with.

One of those platforms was Lemmy. None of us knew, at that time, anything about ActivityPub.

During the Reddit exodus (surrounding the API outcry and blackout), our instance exploded. We were, initially, crippled by the mass amounts of users seeking refuge.

Thankfully, someone stepped in and volunteered hundreds of hours of work to stabilize our instance and refine it further.

After many hours of talks, it became clear to us that our overall goal could be achieved outside of Lemmy/ActivityPub.

Right now, we feel that Lemmy and ActivityPub have downsides that are limiting us from achieving that goal.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Indifferent

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

You're smaller and weaker defederated. The fact that you chose to post this on lemmy.ml rather than beehaw clearly proves that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I'm not sure I understand where you guys are planning to be moving on to- just a website? I will miss beehaw for sure, I appreciate the technology and gaming communities there which I follow. I've been blissfully oblivious to any toxicity either from beehaw or towards beehaw. But you must do what your instance prefers first and foremost.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I disagree with you guys for a lot of reasons.

Diversity of thought and, well, your silly shit are important. No. I wouldn't do what you do myself. Yes. You should stay. Send a link and I'll donate.

The fediverse needs testing of both technical and social areas.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

The fact that you talk about users as "seeking refuge" means you think of your instance as much more than a social media platform.

So I would say that yes, maybe Lemmy is not what you actually need. It's designed to federate discussions between everyone using it, and that's a poor fit for a refugee center (so to speak).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

It'd be a shame imo but end of the day your choice.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Don't let the doorknob hit you in the ass on the way out.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Defederate from .world and aaaaallllll of your problems will go away. EDIT: you already did and that wasn't enough. Well time to pull the plug.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

At least two communities I use are on Beehaw, but I wouldn't be super affected.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Late Reply: This is going to sound harsh but it's true. I wouldn't miss it. If Beehaw disappeared tomorrow I probably wouldn't even notice, and I'm sure that would be the case for many other people here. The problem is that because Beehaw has defederated so aggressively from the largest instances and shut its doors to new users, and people just moved on, or didn't notice or care. I spent most of my first days on Lemmy.world and consequently didn't see a majority of the content from Beehaw, but I did see many upset users who had to Migrate from Beehaw due to the defederations since most of the content and communities they wanted access to wasn't available to them on Beehaw.

Since Beehaw didn't (and still doesn't) have community creation enabled it never really had niche communities like other instances did, it is rather forgettable because of that, what most people will remember it for though is the defederations and having to migrate accounts to not be cut off from the rest of the fediverse.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Do what you need to do, but it'll mean less traffic on overall - meaning people who are actively pro-ActivityPub will be switching and using other accounts more. I would probably be out shopping for a different node at that point. But I also fully understand the reasons why one would want to defederate.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I agree that if your goal is to be centralized, heavily control what your users see, and only your team is capable of doing such a thing, then federation is not the solution.

However, as someone on the outside looking in, I doubt you would have the user base you do, or maintain it for very long if it were just an old-style centralized forum. It seems to me that those forums were simply not preferable to the level of content and connectivity offered by the myspaces, facebooks, diggs, and reddits of the world.

If you're open to maintain interaction with other servers, and just find moderation too resource intensive, then I think you're probably just bigger than you can afford right now, and should shoot for fewer DAUs.

The number of people out there who want a safe space for the disenfranchised can't just be your moderation team, and that's why the fediverse exists. Amortize that responsibility over multiple instances, don't feel like it's something that only you are able to solve.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I'm not a beehaw user, so personally I won't care. If I had joined beehaw in order to get to a federated platform, turning it into a walled garden would be disappointing to say the least. I'd leave, of course.

In general, it would be a shame to lose the content and connections that there might have been.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I don’t give a single nacho

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago
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