this post was submitted on 27 Aug 2021
32 points (97.1% liked)

Technology

35760 readers
281 users here now

This is the official technology community of Lemmy.ml for all news related to creation and use of technology, and to facilitate civil, meaningful discussion around it.


Ask in DM before posting product reviews or ads. All such posts otherwise are subject to removal.


Rules:

1: All Lemmy rules apply

2: Do not post low effort posts

3: NEVER post naziped*gore stuff

4: Always post article URLs or their archived version URLs as sources, NOT screenshots. Help the blind users.

5: personal rants of Big Tech CEOs like Elon Musk are unwelcome (does not include posts about their companies affecting wide range of people)

6: no advertisement posts unless verified as legitimate and non-exploitative/non-consumerist

7: crypto related posts, unless essential, are disallowed

founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
top 26 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 years ago (2 children)

Good article, but the site's colorscheme bothers me πŸ™ƒ

Anyways, another to add to the list of hosts is https://codeberg.org/ It's just Gitea but hosted for public use.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 years ago (2 children)

gitlab.com is also missing in the list

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 years ago

It's open core, but their free hosting runs on the closed source extension of the core for businesses. You're only running the OSS if you self-host the free version I believe.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago

Gitlab, I would say isn't much better.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 years ago

i'd like to add this overview
Public Git hosting sites

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 years ago (2 children)

I mean the country blocking stuff isn't really the fault of GitHub. It's going to affect any USonian organisation, and it's not like they don't fight it.

GitLab isn't mentioned at all, I wonder why.

github is also spyware

Any idea what this refers to?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 years ago (1 children)

Probably the fact that GH is proprietary and owned by Microsoft, the recent machine learning shit around it makes it so that I choose the believe this, too, since you don't really know what they can do with your code.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 years ago (1 children)

A FLOSS solution could do exactly the same. You have no way of knowing what is actually running on the servers...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 years ago (1 children)

I think there's a difference if it's being run by a non-profit organization that is open source than if it is run by an proprietary software multi billion dollar company, if let's say, Gittea would do something the likes of this it would probably end up being a libre project, which most likely everyone would be okay with, and they would surely make people know about it firsthand, for example. It's not so much about what's running on the servers but about trust and the fact that they own your code to a certain extent.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago

Yeah, but in the case of GitHub, any accusation of violating the privacy of its users is still pure speculation.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago

I think it's safe to say that GitHub went above and beyond what is required. They prevented people from getting their own data before blocking them permanently from the site, which they did without warning, and apparently even targeted people who weren't in those countries at all but merely had connected from one in the past. They could definitely do better.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 years ago (1 children)

The colors hurt my eyes and aren't a great choice even if muted. I personally think the index or outline is better on the left (markdown outlines are often on the left). I love that you put the date at the top. So many sites don't put dates as though they think their material is everlasting and can never become outdated. Have your female family member or GF look over your punctuation and correct your run-on sentences. If English is your second language, my apologies. I am not sure if YT/Google also blocks those countries, but if they don't, it seems that Microsoft also doesn't have to. Maybe they think a worm or virus is hidden in software from those countries...idk? Maybe add numbers by your sources/referenced like a college paper would be?

I love the content or concept, though. I am still shocked by how many in the FOSS world use github. I HATE Microsoft more than Google. I see the word 'deGoogle' a lot, but never see deMicrosoft. Remember they own Skype, too.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 years ago

The colors hurt my eyes and aren’t a great choice even if muted.

He should try using this app to comply with WCAG requirements.

I am still shocked by how many in the FOSS world use github. I HATE Microsoft more than Google.

True, there are many open source developers who still use GitHub when this closed-source service goes against everything they promote and there are already much better alternatives (Gitea or Codeberg, sourcehut...).

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 years ago (1 children)

This is my first ever article, so I would appreciate any feedback or criticism.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 years ago (1 children)

As constructive criticism, I will say that it is better not to use bold type for paragraphs. It is better to use it only in the headings to improve the contrast of thickness.

And I would use Wikiless instead of Wikipedia to cite sources. It's lighter than Wikipedia and doesn't use JavaScript (I saw that you're against JavaScript so you might be interested). It has a dark mode as well. I like the little details like putting the bibliography at the bottom or putting the date of the day. I liked the article and I agree with what you say.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 years ago

Thanks, i'll look into wikiless.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 years ago

I can't read any of the links, but I guess they didn't know Codeberg or Fachschaften.org (the latter being for German students and staff).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 years ago (2 children)

There are multiple package managers (ab-) using github as a storage backend. I'm just waiting for the time I can't compile my rust projects anymore because github is down temporarily… (I know cargo caches crates, but it could do a way better job at it)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 years ago

Does that mean that it's impossible to build Rust programs with crates.io dependencies (and Go programs etc...) in countries with US trade restrictions?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 years ago (1 children)

What do you mean when you using github as a storage backend?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 years ago (2 children)

They store (source code) packages as github repos. E.g. rusts package manager cargo uses github repos for its "crates" (libraries). Which sucks because it's a single point of failure, leaks my third party library usage to github and makes publishing, maintaining and contributing to libraries cumbersome.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 years ago (1 children)

Afaik crates.io only requires a github account for login, but the source code can be hosted anywhere. I know some crates that use gitea.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 children)

That sounds good, ill have to try that. Will the code gor releases still be mirrored on that github account?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

No the Github account is only for registration/login on crates.io. Relevant issue.

Edit: It seems they also store the index for crates.io in a github repo. The site seemed a lot nicer a few hours ago, when I didnt know that.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 years ago

Yeah I agree with that. I feel most projects especially the ones with a lot of users should maintain a mirror somewhere else.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 years ago

For those who want to host a no-frills git instance there's this 2013 blog post from DigitalOcean, LLC that I sometimes reference whenever I forget the steps.