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Hi, Lemmy! So I made two mistakes. But I'd like to inform Lemmy, that there is a free speech version of the Lemmy code being used to throw racial slurs around. That instance is called goatpen.co I advise you not to go there, as you will come across racial slurs on the front page.

So my first mistake was asking what people on discussions.app like to use for different social networks. One instance, as mentioned above was goatpen.co. My curiousity got the better of me, and I went to check it out. That was my second mistake. That place is a cesspool.

That's all I wanted to say. Someone or some company is using lemmy's code to host a lemmy-clone and make it a cesspool.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 years ago (20 children)

Lemmy is open source, meaning that anyone can use it for whatever purpose they like. Realistically there is nothing we can do against that. The sooner we accept this reality, the better.

In my opinion, the main goal of Lemmy as a project is to challenge proprietary social media like Reddit. That wont be achievable if we try to exclude anyone from using Lemmy. Of course that doesnt mean that we have to agree with their opinions, and block tools exist exactly for this reason.

Also, I think if these extremists leave Reddit, that could eventually lead to their deradicalization. Reddit has no real incentive to deradicalize them, because more users and more activity means more ad money for them. But fediverse instances are usually run by volunteers in their free time, who have less incentive to permit such toxicity.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago (1 children)

Exactly! Algorithms ends up favouring polarization for the sake of polarization. Decentralized social infrastructures takes away this destructive element of social infrastructures and that alone will have a positive effect.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago

The problem is not polarization. The opposite of polarization is universal thought control. The problem is fascism and that Reddit communities are very reactionary and keep on pushing an alt-right agenda.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 years ago (6 children)

It was only a matter of time before alt-right instances championing "free speech" started to pop out - this is the first one I hear about, I was expecting them to adopt Lemmy earlier

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 years ago (1 children)

I see just an empty page saying the domain is registered.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 years ago (1 children)

It might be preview.goatpen.co

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago

Oh ok, those posts are certainly bad

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 children)

Actually there is also Votal.net run by Ruqqus refugees. And when I say "Ruqqus refugees", it tells a lot about their view of free speech. The site appears to be currently under maintenance. According to statistics by The Federation, Votal.net was briefly the second-biggest Lemmy instance.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 years ago (1 children)

Whats interesting is that they kept the slur filter, and banned a lot of users who were spamming slurs.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 years ago (1 children)

They had at least some moderation rules!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago

The :Admin of "votal.net" was opposed to slurs. it was a tool to steer votal in a better direction. Also the server is//was hosted in Switzerland where law prohibits apology of genocide. i do believe :A got fed up, tired and disgusted so :A closed the site because of too many neonazis, racists, antivax and such.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago

The unfortunate reality of uncorporate controlled social media is that we get uncorporate controlled social media of undesirable types.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago

Free speech platforms are kinda stupid. I just told two people not to use racial slurs, be a decent human being, that sort of thing, and I got called out for virtue signaling. Idgaf about virtue signaling, be a decent goddamn human being! Also, communities.win is full of snowflakes. I got banned from a community for calling out antisemitism and homophobia. So stupid.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 years ago (1 children)

It is precisely because of censorship these people became further and further radicalized, without the opportunity for regular people to arrive at their new locations and tone it down a bit. Lemmy is making the right call to do nothing about this.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 years ago (1 children)

Maybe it's the alcohol or maybe I'm just in a good mood, but what if we were kind to these people? I'm not saying make friends with them, but y'know, show them kindness, a little compassion. Would that be bad to do?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago

On an individual basis, why not. But fascism cannot be combatted with kind words.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 years ago (2 children)

am i the only person who wants these people to have a space to talk to each other?

they remind me of teenagers, when i read their forums, stupid immature ideas. they are on the road to nowhere.

they can learn to think properly and become adults, and the best way is by talking to adults. the worst thing for them (and for society) is keeping then isolated.

the ideal is keeping them in a big community where new ideas can leak into their filter bubbles. but failing that, they just need any community, to practice feeling empathy and social skills, stop then becoming radicalised by hatred.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

To some extend, but these kind of bubbles can also lead to stupid shit that can kill them and others. See for example the attempted take-over of the US parliament at the beginning of this year.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 years ago (1 children)

Have you seen the episode of Mythic Quest where the game is invaded by a bunch of Nazis, so they isolated a server in the game where all the Nazis were, and they all shouted slurs and rhetoric at each other?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 years ago (1 children)

No. Is it "Mythic Quest: Raven's Banquet"? Do you recommend it?

What are you getting at anyway?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago (1 children)

Maybe, if we let them all shout profanities and obscenities at each other they will know how it feels to be on the other side, thus making them stop saying it, but that's a long shot.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 years ago (1 children)

Would be an interesting experiment. Either they form a supportive community, develop human feelings, stop being so paranoid ... they argue about stupid stuff forever ... they get bored after a while and leave ... the group gets diluted by more rational people ...

Whatever happens, it's much much better than having nothing, leaving them isolated as sad individuals shouting at the wall and getting more and more enraged.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 years ago (1 children)

Exactly! I feel bad for these sad, fearful creatures. They are only enabling each other's hate and fear more and more. I closed my accounts, so I won't be countering any of their rhetoric. But if anyone else wants to take up the endeavor, by all means. Like I said, these sad, fearful creatures need help to learn that life isn't that bad.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago

IMO it's just a natural human way to be - though i know not everyone would agree.

They just lack empathy for people they don't know or care enough about to understand. The same way other people lack empathy for them.

In a more open society, with more types of interaction, people don't get the option to be dismissive of each other as much.

That's where this comes from, this idea helping people we abhor. And of keeping our enemy close to us, so we can influence him before he gets out of control

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 years ago

HOLY SHIT...I HAD A BRILLIANT IDEA! Since most free speech networks run on blockchain, and most of them aren't moderated, if a user uses a racial slur, they LOSE bitcoin or crypto when they get downvoted. What do you think?

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