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A ton of countries have a decently active Lemmy instance, including the English-speaking ones (UK, AUS, NZ, ZA).

The closest to a US one that I know of is midwest.social, which looks pretty lively from what I can tell.

Anyway, so lemmy.world is becoming quite populated with all kinds of US-specific stuff, like communities for sports teams, sometimes with generic names that could be used for other things ( [email protected] ), states/cities like [email protected] or even [email protected] (while [email protected] also exists), with other instances also having duplicate comms.

I'm expecting Lemmy to have, at some point, and hopefully soon, an option to block entire instances so that we don't have to see posts especially that are country-specific. But I'll need to block all the baseball teams one by one if I want to browse all and try to find new things.

And I'm sure it would also be more convenient to have it all under one roof, just like everything about Germany is under feddit.de, and people from elsewhere can still visit if they like.

So, please someone make one? Or navigate people to the right one? Thank yooou

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 2 years ago (5 children)

I mean pretty much every website is US focused unless stated otherwise.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 years ago (4 children)

And the argument always was that Reddit/Facebook/Twitter/whatever are American.

Well, Lemmy is not. So there's no reason for it to be americanised by default.

(Unless we'll hear the argument that the internet is American :p)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago

Well, Al Gore said he invented it, so...

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

I don't think hosting was ever the argument. It was always just that the vast majority of users were American.

Any site defaulting to English is going to attract users who predominantly speak English as their primary language, and then people who speak English as a sort of lingua franca are going to be a smaller part of that. Among native English speakers, Americans make up the majority, so that's the prevailing default you are likely to see.

Even if Lemmy.world is hosted in Europe, I'd hazard that the largest user demographic is still Americans.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

attract users who predominantly speak English as their primary language

I never understood this argument. Why do you think it's important whether English is your primary language or not?

People in developed countries often speak English pretty much perfectly (and know the difference between their and they're).

If you're going to a web site with a mixed audience, you're gonna use English, and if you're going to a local one, you use your local language. No big deal?

Native English speakers have the advantage of not needing a different language to speak to their locals, but that's all.

If somehow everyone agreed that Esperanto will be the default internet language, you wouldn't expect the majority to be native Esperanto users.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

I mean, I think I addressed that in my post. When the discourse is defaulted to English, you end up with users who are either native English speakers and people using English as a lingua franca.

In the Anglosphere, Americans make up the largest single chunk, and they accordingly see no need to "enclave" the way other groups may because being the biggest means their standpoint is effectively the default one.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago

Yeah I assume the reason there isn't is because the general ones are US-centric by default and then everyone else has to have somewhere specific to go. But I guess if they want their own dedicated place too why not?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

If they were wrong people wouldn't be complaining about US defaultism.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago

Isn't that the problem being stated in the OP haha.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 years ago (4 children)

The US-defaultism that happens on the internet is very annoying

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Yeah, it's especially annoying when you live in a different English speaking country. I don't give a shit about your pounds in the chicken recipe.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That's right! Put dollars in the chicken recipe!

Anyway that's my two cents.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

Let’s say 2/100 of your country’s primary monetary unit. No reason to be US centric.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The US! Oppressing everything else in the world since...the beginning!

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I immediately became a bit upset when I read this post and realized US defaultism was going to happen on lemmy too now. Very annoying thing.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Of course the Germans have have everything all organized.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago

Ja natürlich :)

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago

Na klar! 😁

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

That's what we love about them. And the accent when they speak English. And their cars. Not forgetting their tools. Beer.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago (4 children)

And I'm sure it would also be more convenient to have it all under one roof, just like everything about Germany is under feddit.de, and people from elsewhere can still visit if they like.

I'm trying to advertise my country's instance, feddit.nu (Sweden). feddit.de got a headstart with Germans by having been created before the Reddit migration and providing the first federated community discovery tool.

Instances that were created after the migration started on the other hand? It's frustrating with Redditor behavior, because they expect the Lemmy community to share the same name as the Reddit community (/r/Sweden) and only subscribe to communities that use the same name.

If you don't want your lemmy.world feed to be flooded with languages you can't understand, please make sure to annoy their users about it as much as possible, in English, that they should move to the country-specific instances instead of centralizing on lemmy.world. It's healthier for the Fediverse in general with everyone on many instances, in the long run.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (3 children)

New instances have it super hard in general. This is an issue the Lemmy system needs to resolve somehow.

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[–] jono 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Lemmy.ca exists for Canada too. There are dozens of us. Dozens!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That must be the most polite server on Lemmy.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago
[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

I mean you can just have your feed show only the stuff you’re subscribed to…

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It's Estonian (.ee is the country code for Estonia) but it's also a cool domain hack and the owner opened it to everyone.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

If it is, they aren't doing much to advertise it or to attract those kinds of communities.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Nah, lemm.ee is hosted in the EU.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The .ee must stand for European Eunion

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

Well it’s certainly not for Emerican Empire.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

well now someone needs to make the most obnoxiously American patriotic instance possible, as a meme

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

Can we afford to buy freedom.us?

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago

Well beehaw.org is hosted in NYC.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It might be because most of us Americans lick the boots of corporations for free or get in line to.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Don’t forget about subscription services for everything!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

I like my life for rent!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago
[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Given the prevalence of US defaultism, I don't mind the lack of a US-specific one. Plus, unless an instance, or even community, is regionally specific, chances are Americans are going to assume it to be American. Even if that subreddit specifically claims to be worldwide, it may still be dominated in excess by Americans, like the politics @ lemmy.ml community.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I thought beehaw.org is US based.

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