You use lots of ableist language. Without that I would like your post better.
this post was submitted on 06 Sep 2021
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Ableist language is language that is ...
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offensive to people with disability. It can also refer to language that is derogatory, abusive or negative about disability. Ableism is the systemic exclusion and oppression of people with disability, often expressed and reinforced through language.
My apologies. I'll try to change my post.
The guy messaged me back, and said I hate african americans and gays, that's why I am intolerant of his hate speech. Said I will never be as "liberal, progressive and inclusive as he is", told me to get my "biases and prejudice in check" and also told me to "check my privilege". Guy's off the deep end.
He's trolling you. Don't read too much into it. No point in having internet fights. Especially with dumb people who bring you down to their level where they have the high ground.
are you white?
Yes, why?
yikes
I'm doing my damnedest to be anti-racist, because the world is hurting and needs positivity and kindness right now. We can't all be yelling profanities, or slurs at people, when we should be building each other up, not tearing each other down. It breaks my fucking heart that the world is in the state it's in.
educate yourself
I am. I'm reading books on anti-racism, and books by trans authors, black authors, etc.
even with good literature white people can't learn, they really are a lost cause ๐
Are you suggesting only white people are racist and bigoted? I have no idea where you reside, but here in France, racism and bigotry is not just a white thing. It used to be more so a few decades back when there was a stronger revolutionary antiracist movement.
Also, i didn't downvote because i agree with your sentiment that whiteness is hard to dismantle, but i should still point out that your comment is an essentialist bigoted argument. Sure it's aimed at white people so it's not racist: anti-white resentment is a thing, but there is no structural racism against white people.
However, essentialist constructs is precisely what we're trying to dismantle in the cis-hetero patriarchal, white-supremacist capitalist society. I agree to struggle by any means necessary, but producing new identity boxes to stuff people in by force is not struggling against oppression, it's in fact very much reinforcing oppression.
We need more radical politics. Let's go to the roots of oppression. Goodthinking liberal "who's more oppressed" game of identity politics is not intersectionality, as intersectionality is precisely about recognizing that oppression is neither a binary nor a linear measure, but rather an intricate chaos of interfering factors.
Intersectionality is acknowledging that whatever oppresses you and me right now, only by struggling together we can dismantle all systems of domination. Or put another way:
if you have come here to help me, you are wasting your time. But if you have come because your liberation is bound up with mine, then let us work together. (Lilla Watson)
Please try to assume good faith from the original poster next time. It's ok to ask tough questions, but don't automatically assume bad faith from someone asking questions themself.
Greetings from a fellow (white) enby!
i hope this should be irrelevant, i like it better if we discuss ideas instead of pointing finger at who are who ... there might be a flaw in my approach ?
Not sure what is meant by progressive, but using a word liberally is not "liberal" in the same sense as in "liberalism". Some words have different meanings depending on context, but that doesn't mean you can confuse the two.
The connotative meaning of words versus the denotative meaning of words is the contradiction which causes most of our misunderstandings.
Using hate speech/profanities/obscenities is neither liberal or progressive. Am I wrong?
You're not wrong. As to why, there are a couple of things going on, but at the very least he's confusing different meanings of "liberally".
"Liberally" can mean 'accepting others, even if they're very different to me' and 'a form of government in which there's a democratic republic that coexists with capitalism'. It also is an adverb similar to 'plentifully' or 'abundantly'.
Explain this dumbfuckโs logic to me?
So when he uses an "obscene word a lot", he's indeed "using it liberally", but in the sense of 'plenty'. He's not magically jumping from 'plenty' to 'accepting others' or 'a particular form of government'. Notice that 'accepting others' and the democratic bit in liberalism are many times what progressives strive for (although there are some progressives who would defend the capitalist part as well).
So his logic is straight up not valid.
Dafuq crack are you smoking bro?
Either he's trolling you or he's functionally illiterate. It's also possible he's literate (and IQ smart), but is so indoctrinated that invalid logic becomes magically valid from his perspective. Lastly, it's possible he messed up (as humans so often do!). But based on my interpretation of what you two were up to, and my own experience on the internet, I think he's trolling.
That doesn't sound like logic at all. It sounds like there wasn't an argument made at all, just a belief statement. In that case, the best you can do is ask "why?" Or just leave the conversation. Or troll back.
Or troll back.
Don't. All you will do is legitimate trolling as a activist method