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A "Showerthought" is a simple term used to describe the thoughts that pop into your head while you're doing everyday things like taking a shower, driving, or just daydreaming. The most popular seem to be lighthearted, clever little truths, hidden in daily life.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Everything important is using ECC and low-level parity bit protection.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

in a perfect world, perhaps. but we don't live in one.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Are PDP-11 computers still in use?

The PDP-11 is definitely still in use today, thanks to its unique and strong build. It is still used to power a GE nuclear power-plant robotic application — and will do so until 2050.

Technically, due to its potency, it is still used by the US Navy in its ship radar systems and by Airbus SAS. There are also rumors that it is part of the set up in the British Atomic Weapons Establishment.

https://history-computer.com/dec-pdp-11-computer/

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Thanks Intel for making this statement false

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

These have a high probability of working but it isn't perfect. And not all of them tell you which way the bit was flipped.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Ok, I'll bite: what's a "cosmic ray bit-flip"?

[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So basically, we have low level neutron radiation coming at us at all times from space. Mostly from our own sun, some other external sources too. It takes a whole lot of concrete or lead or water to stop that completely, so anything that makes it through our atmosphere is harmlessly passing through all of us.

But since things like computer RAM and other electronic storage have gotten so much smaller, this radiation is now capable of energizing or discharging individual bits — 1s or 0s — in that storage. Imagine you’re in the hospital for a back operation and the robot arm is approaching a 1 bit that tells it to stop… but that 1 flips to a 0 because the sun sneezed and now your spine is in two fun-sized pieces.

This is all mostly moot today, though. ECC-enabled RAM (memory with protections against bit flips) is the norm and this is a pretty well-understood problem.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Ok, there just has to be a movie that capitalizes on this idea.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

One definitely could be made. That physics caused a miscount in a local election iirc. That's probably a good movie premise.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

It wasn't from a bit-flip, but they did kind of make that movie already.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In case you're missing it, this is what the Stephen King book and movie "Maximum Overdrive" is about, but technologically behind by 50 years. Radio signals and power surges just happen to influence machines all over the world into vengefully killing people.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Please explain the soda machine gag to me, I just can't wrap my head around it 😂

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Maximum Overdrive?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Should mention that the robot does not depend on a 1 to stop, more on like 600 in any "modern" programming language. 😅

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Nearly every computer you use, including the ones people are starting to use for self-driving, can have their memory accidentally modified from cosmic rays

We try really hard to protect spaceships from them, since they’re subject to more

However, due to the law of large numbers, sometimes your computer will get random bit flips - where it should be a 0, but it’s instead a 1, or vice versa

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Cosmic ray zaps your silicon just right to flip a bit. If you've heard of the Tick Tock Clock upwarp in Mario 64, most people suspect that's what happened.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

On first thought : yes.
But on second thought : no (i.e. : not really, because of system's redundancies)

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

The real Y2K

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I thought we already had a way to deal with bit flips. CPU bit flips should be common by now because of the size of processors these days.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Yup. There is technology to deal with this. But does every piece of hw have that tech? No. Does every piece of sw run eccs for this purpose? No.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

More computers dealing with more parts of your life increases the chance that a bit flip has a negative effect

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Computers store everything as electric current. If the current is on it's a one. If the current is off it's a zero. High energy particles from outer space regularly blast through our upper atmosphere into the Earth passing through most solid matter. These high energy particles can induce the electric currents when they impact computer components. These erant current can cause a one to become a zero or a zero to become a one. This can have all kinds of interesting effects depending on which zero and one got changed when and where. Normally this causes a crash of the program or operating system.