"Speech crimes"
The bill says "advocating genocide"
this post was submitted on 13 Mar 2024
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That counts as speech crime. Freedom of speech isnt just good speech or the speech you like or even the speech that isnt horrible, its all speech. Otherwise, its not free at all.
To quote Picard, "With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
The moment you censor that first opinion, no matter how justified you think you are, you oppress everyone.
Okay but in the US people can go to jail for death threats. Is that speech crime? Is that the first link in the chain? Or is that a reasonable law?
Yeah, speech can't cause a reasonable person to have a reasonable fear of harm. Like, calling in a bomb scare. I don't know the exact parameters, but it's established that there are forms of speech that are not permissible.
Right. So there are forms of speech that are not permissible.
The argument then isn't "I don't agree with this law banning calls for genocide because I'm against all forms of speech restrictions". The argument is really "I don't agree with this law banning calls for genocide because I don't see calls for genocide as something that should be banned." The latter argument is difficult to justify though, which is why the former argument is used by a lot "free speech absolutionists".
Plenty of “speech crimes” that are illegal in the US already. For instance, threatening people. If you say to someone “I am going to assault you”, yes, that’s a crime, and you can be prosecuted and face prison time.
The moment you censor that first call to exterminate all jews, no matter how justified you think you are, you oppress everyone.
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Just don’t be an advocate for genocide and you have nothing to worry about.
Also, most of this bill has to do with defining hate speech and spelling out reporting requirements for service providers online who discover child porn…..not really sure what the problem is here. Who would be against reporting that stuff?
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No one is getting life in prison for saying anything, even calling for genocide.
This is like a few years ago when you said people would get life in prison for misgendering people.
Grow up.
Canada? Isn't this the same country where protestors blocked the streets of downtown Ottowa by parking their trucks and blowing their horns day and night for a month before police did anything? They climbed on the cenotaph and danced with a Nazi flag on the tomb of the unknown soldier and pissed on it for fucks sake, and did they get arrested or do any jail time? One woman that got identified didn't get charged, tho they could have.
I don't think you have to worry too much about a life sentence for saying words in Canada.
So, the question is, "who gets to decide what 'advocating genocide' and 'willful promotion' mean"?
Yeah, this is not a good place to be.
I hate Russians, yes, the people, not just the government. Reddit insta-banned me for saying so. LOL, like Russians are some sort of protected class. Wonder who's paying the bills over there?
Anyway, surely we can all see how "advocating genocide" can be quickly twisted. I'm American, yet I agree the 1st Amendment gets stretched pretty fucking thin, but this? Foul idea.
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