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I wore a pride hat and my conservative co-worker lost her mind. (lemmy.world)

submitted 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I work at a 3rd-6th public school in MA. I wore this hat to celebrate Pride month and last week of school. I am known for my 25 days of holiday hats I wear around the winter holidays. I do mostly Santa hats but also make sure to include secular hats/Hanuikka hats. No one has a problem with it and the kids LOVE it because the hats get progressively more outrageous the closer it gets to break.

So yesterday I get in the door and My Lead says "Do you have to wear that hat?" I replied "What? Its a rainbow hat for pride month?" And shrugged. Then my most vocal and conservative coworker came in and told me that "my hat is inappropriate". I replied that d"iversity, tolerance, and inclusion is ALWAYS appropriate". She came back with " if it was just a rainbow hat but with the Pride sticker on there its not ok. You want tolerance and repect but you aren't respected the other side. You know I dont believe in that and in front of the kids, its bad enough in front of us knowing we don't believe in that." So I asked her if she wanted to bring it to HR. She said no and i offered to turn my hat around. Then My called HR who told her that my hat is fine. Lol.

The kicker is the coworker was wearing a Black Flag hat!

edit Black American Flag hat worn by conservatives in the US

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

Me: Well I don't believe in that points at black flag hat but you don't hear me being a whiny snowflake about it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (3 children)

You want tolerance and repect but you aren't respected the other side

By "other side" I'm assuming she means heterosexuals? If so, I'll tell you as a member of that side that I think the hat is fabulous.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

The other side is bigots. Literally the intolerant asking for tolerance of their intolerance. Blows my mind.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

No, she doesn't mean heterosexuals. Because most heterosexuals don't have a problem with LGBT+.

She means bigots. She means that she expects tolerance and respect for the bigotry, so that she can continue to tell people being LGBT+ is a sin and bad for children or whatever.

It's an argument in bad faith.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

It's sort of ironic, isn't it? Tolerance and respect work both ways. Like we all have to tolerate these homophobes. So she is arguing against her own argument by making the argument.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

PLEASE leave a copy of the U.S. flag code laying around somewhere. An all-black American flag ISN'T an American flag, and showing them how they're breaking the rules of the flag they pretend to care about breaks their brain.

The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding or drapery. The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Dude black flag is a punk band

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

I was 50/50 on if it was the band or not. It didn't seem to make sense for a callout for a band hat, so I assumed it was a black American flag. Could be wrong, though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

How likely is it that a Conservative Christian type is into Black Flag?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

About as likely as a highly conservative states person saying that their favorite band was Rage against the Machine

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

Totally not the black flag you're talking about but my mom after a pride once asked if there was a "heterosexual flag" and I hesitated before saying "There is. But you really won't like it." She pressed the issue saying she wanted to see so I brought up that black and white monstrosity and she got SO mad.

"How can they do this to us! That looks like prison stripes!" I had to tell her the LGBTQIA+ didn't make that flag, it was a bunch of heterosexuals who didn't like pride. She was ridiculously upset by that until I remembered the Ally flag was a thing and upon showing her she immediately cheered up saying something to the effect of "Those bigoted losers can keep their dumb ugly prison flag! What are they allergic to color? My flag has rainbows!"

I love my Mum.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

For centuries the treatment gays got was 'stay hidden or else'. No respect in that from me.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

For centuries the treatment gays got was ‘stay hidden or else’.

Citation and location needed? I'm a supporter of LGBTQ+ rights, but I don't think that sentence is accurate.

Edit: Guys... there have been civilizations in which homosexuality was okay. I'm not going to say was pervasive, but it definitely was a thing. If you're talking about Western values, then that's a different thing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

They are talking about anti-sodomy laws like the Buggery act of 1533 variations of which persisted specifically in American law in some states up until 2003 that criminalized consentual sexual relations between same sex partners (though in practice mostly for men). For a very long time it was a hanging offence through it went through a lot of different eras the punishment changed. Some of the early of medical horomones was high doses of estrogen to "chemically castrate" men who were caught and proven to have had same sex sexual relations.

So yes. Stay in the closet "or else" is accurate.

Some of the first European anti buggery law originated in the same 50 year period (1250-1300) that the Church started cracking down on it's previously fairly lax veiw of abortion stemming from multiple debated theories of when "ensoulment" happened. The reason for this was the emergence of the largest wave of the Black Death that caused fears of the collapse of society so it was "make babies (the Christian approved way) or else". Buggery laws, midwifery suppression and the castigation of "non fruitful" same sex relationships were basically just used to force the issue.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You know I dont believe in that

Yeah, that's why the hat is necessary.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

And if they tried to use the same logic with the Santa hat it would sound crazy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Seriously. OP should strike up conversation next Christmas time while wearing the Santa hat. Causally ask them if they believe in Santa. Then when they inevitably say they do not, ask why the hat doesn't offend them just as much as that rainbow pride hat did.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Exactly what doesn’t she believe in?

That gay people don’t exist?

Honey, have I got news for her.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

I suspect she believes they shouldn't be allowed to exist. 😮‍💨

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

"Next thing y'all be learnin' kids that Santa be gay, too!!"

-- ~~Jesus~~MAGA

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Santa is SUPER gay.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

"Don we now our gay apparel, fa la la, fa la la, la la la!"

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Your coworker doesn't know the first fuckin thing about Black Flag, apparently. I really hope she doesn't ever find out about Rollins' op-eds from LA Weekly or she might have a heart attack.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I had to reread that part of the post a couple times. Try to think of some other Black Flag it could mean. OP please read this if you don't know what Henry Rollins and Black Flag stand for and educate your coworker!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Different Black Flag. The American one conservatives like to wear.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Offering to go with her to HR about it was the right move. Let her dig her own grave right in front of them. With any luck, she'll get fired.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

When you asked if she wanted to bring it to HR, she probably thought you meant Henry Rollins and she knew that wouldn't go well.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

That is the most obnoxious hat I've ever laid eyes on. Well done.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Oof it would have gone down very differently in a public school in Texas/Florida. Be grateful you’re in MA.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

How many hats have you accumulated by now? Or do you sell them away once the holiday is over?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

I have about 30. They fall apart amd get lost so I dont have too many saved.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The "other side" is the very definition of a lack of tolerance and respect so get bent, coworker!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yeah like what exactly would a hat representing this other side look like?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Kinda white and pointy I'd imagine.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 7 months ago

Tbf it's a cheap looking hat with cartoons on the front. Why don't you show some pride LOL

[–] [email protected] -3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

what if i told you that americans are the least educated in the western world? just specialised knowledge, no idea about topics outside of said specialised knowledge.

meet any murican doctor and he doesnt know the difference between austria and australia. etc

all exhange students i met were baffled by the wide range of education compared to the shitlands.

it is safe to say americans are no more evil 9r facist than any other place...they are just really really uneducated.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

PISA rankings disagree with you. The 2022 results showed the US above most western countries in reading, below only Ireland, Estonia, and Canada (and a few Asian countries), and a little further down in science but still beating out countries tries like Germany, Sweden, Spain, etc. The math score was even worse, about halfway down the rankings, but again, still above western countries like Iceland and Greece.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programme_for_International_Student_Assessment

[–] [email protected] -2 points 7 months ago

as i said. americans do not have broad knowledge. look at things that require wider knowledge..reading and math does not require wider knowledge unlike history or geography.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I would say it's impressive how you were able to meet enough of the over 350 million Americans to make such confident generalizations about them.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 7 months ago

your argunent is what?

if you meet a new dane or a german once a week and they all like beer or schnitzel...then you kinda get the impression it might be their thing. sure, not all germans drink beer, but it is safe to say that indicator is sth

and if that happens for decades it is fair to generalize. sure we can look up some stats ( https://uni.de/redaktion/amerikanische-spezialisten-versus-deutsche-generalisten ) that'll say the same...but do americans read? not really. neither did you pull up anything convincing.