Really hoping this doesn't get NATO's involvement.
Ukraine fighting off Russia with solely financial support was a message to the world to not declare war on other countries. If the goal is less war, NATO going to war is obviously not a solution.
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Apparently DW knows something Pentagon doesn't?
New source from the AP: https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-zelenskyy-kherson-9202c032cf3a5c22761ee71b52ff9d52
Once again, what does AP know that the Pentagon doesn't?
Growing number of reports seem to be walking away from "Russian missile" claim floated by those invested most in escalating. Even "OSINT" sites are admitting the missiles that landed in Poland are most likely from an S-300 system, in other words, Ukrainian air defense.
edit: and looks like it is indeed an Ukrainian missile https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1592629251161075712
Even “OSINT” sites are admitting the missiles that landed in Poland are most likely from an S-300 system, in other words, Ukrainian air defense.
Assuming that is true (and no guarantee that it is), it still means that Russia is shooting rockets incredibly close to the border for there to be explosions of any type 15 miles inside Poland. Russia needs to end its reckless bombing campaign.
Last I checked, nobody is really in a position to tell Russia how to conduct the war. If the west wants the war to end then they should be telling their puppets in Kiev to start negotiating instead of continuing to pour fuel into the fire.
Last I checked, nobody is really in a position to tell Russia how to conduct the war.
They most certainly are. Russia just caused the death of two Polish citizens. Poland currently could invoke Article 4. Up until now, NATO's involvement in the Russo-Ukraine war has been incredibly small. It's mostly been Ukrainians using the weaponry from the back of NATO's closet. Imagine if instead you had NATO bombers taking out the artillery that caused this and targeting Russian positions. That threat is how NATO can tell Russia how to conduct its invasion. And it's no fault but Russia's for being so incredibly reckless.
No, according to latest information available, Ukraine caused death of two Polish citizens. However, let's say it was Russia. You expect NATO is insane enough to rush into a nuclear holocaust over that, and you seriously think Russia would fight a direct war with NATO the same way they fight against Ukraine?
What's been incredibly reckless was NATO escalating tensions since the collapse of USSR that got us where we are today. Only a simpleton would ignore this and place blame entirely on Russia.
nobody is really in a position to tell Russia how to conduct the war
Heard of international law, sweaty? Somehow even invaders don't wanna see it enforced, grudgingly abiding and spitting nuclear threats.
Heard of international law, sweaty? Somehow even invaders don’t wanna see it enforced, grudgingly abiding and spitting nuclear threats.
Somebody should let international law know about all the shit NATO has been doing around the world ASAP sweaty.
This possibility was completely foreseeable and has been discussed ever since Russia stepped up its bombing campaign using poorly aimed bombs. I'm not sure that a military response is the correct path, but it should definitely be made clear that having hit NATO territory comes with consequences.
The west already blew its load trying to do economic warfare, not sure what consequences you're imagining here. Also, given that it's increasingly looking like the missile was Ukrainian, should there be consequences for Ukraine do you think?
Stock markets do not believe in the beginning of another war. Nasdaq and S&P 500 are rising.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/14/stock-futures-rise-after-falling-monday-fading-last-weeks-rally.html
Doesn't help your news link came out before the missile was known