Brave is really a cryptoscam like any other. Lack of monetization is not the problem on the Internet. Monetization in other areas of life is. As long as we try to "fix" the problem of content creators by finding new ways to exploit/track users to come up with advertisement money, we are ignoring "how to survive with all my bills" is a problem we have in all fields, not just for artists.

Brave has shown over the years they won't hesitate for a second to introduce a very user-hostile change for all users if that brings them money. Trash it in the dumpster.

Also, it's a worrying trend that most new Web 3.0 browsers as they like to call themselves all have strong JavaScript support. Client-side scripting is an anti-feature of the web and only Tor Browser includes a mechanism (Safest mode) to disable it. If you have JavaScript enabled, privacy/security is impossible by design.

PS: i downvoted because i'm strongly opposed to Brave's recuperation strategy, not because your post in itself is bad :)

I feel like a broken record, but aside from having a homophobic CEO, Brave also has fascist funding!

One of their original investors was Peter Thiel, the souless monster financing Facebook, Palantir Technologies, and the despotic wing of the Republican Party.

It's a fork from Chromium. That's millions of lines of code written by a tracking company. No fork in the world will unearth all those privacy-unfriendly design decisions. They may patch out the superficial, obvious tracking, but there's still going to be plenty implementation details that could've been easily done in a more privacy-friendly manner.

And in addition to that, Mozilla actually spends quite a bit of time on innovating privacy protections, and accepts/maintains patches from the Tor Browser devs. The Total Cookie Protection (/State Partitioning) that you already mentioned, is just the latest fruit from that collaboration.

So, for privacy I would always recommend a Firefox-based browser. Tor Browser, if you need all the privacy you can get. Or otherwise Firefox, IceCat, LibreWolf, each with the right add-ons to achieve the amount of webpage breakage that you enjoy the most.

brendan eich's wikipedia page is hilariously funny to me

anyways, about brave, it's chromium, which has already been mentioned that it feeds into google's monopoly. they've had their share of scandals and personally i see no reason to use it (although the crypto stuff for me is a negative). there's tons of blog posts/etc that explain more why brave isn't worth it to use. for daily browsing i just use firefox with ublock origin, and if i need chromium for whatever reason, i'll use ungoogled-chromium (also with ublock origin)

as a side note, he did more than just not support gay marriage, he actively lobbied against it. (not to mention that obama and hillary clinton are not exactly model citizens)

Brave is Chromium. Using it directly benefits Google, this is enough to stay well clear.

As others have mentioned, they have shady ties. Just stay away, imo. There is no reason to use Brave.

Sidenote: A breadtuber I really like uses brave, so Brave can’t be all that bad?

Many people — including plenty of those who’re good with technology — are very naive about this topic. A breadtuber using it doesn’t mean it’s the right thing to do.

This thread made me rethink my usage of Brave and I am trying to use Firefox again.

Don't and don't be the "next stupid sucker" for the crypto-currency ponzi scheme scams.

Idk why you are getting downvotes for this pretty good question...

I don’t use Brave because of the cryptocurrency thing. “Basic Attention Token” sound dystopian. And if handing over your data for free to corporations is a bad idea, it’s also a bad idea even if you get a couple of bucks worth of cryptocurrency in the process.

Brave seems like it very much comes from the right wing “Libertarian” ideology.

Consensus here is pretty anti-Brave and there are definitely issues (e.g. no one has mentioned the bug that allowed your ISP to view TOR sites you visited in this browser, which is a really glaring problem) but I use it as my second browser for seeing how things look in Blink. As far as I'm aware, only Ungoogled Chromium is an option for FLOSS browsers based on Blink. My first will always be Firefox.

Degrees in hell if you ask me. To browse the web safely with proper functionality intact is an oxymoron and frankly a struggle as functionality diminishes for every safety measure taken.

Safe web is no web, welcome to c/gemini.

I'm not in the whole brave thing in. But.. For me LibreWolf is for the desktop a better choice, it offers many more privacy settings and is based on Firefox. And on my Android I use "Privacy". It disables JS at deafault and has some great handy tools. However, Brave doesn't have such things. Also does Brave looks soo commercial.

It's not entirely clear what your deciding factor is here on choosing a browser. If its privacy Brave is not it. There is still telemetry used, uses Google dependencies. Personally their privacy policy is dubious, they sell themselves on not serving ads but searches are done on Google by default. A pro of Brave is their anti-fingerprinting that's pretty innovative.

Out of the box browsers I would recommend are GNU/Icecat, Tor browser paired with a VPN, specifically ungoogled chromium. Customized Firefox is still legit but takes some work. There are a few others out there but unfortunately little support really, small projects, Bromite on Android comes to mind. Check out privacytools DOT io , they have a good list of alternative apps.

The only thing brave is good for is getting BAT from clicking ads, and even that's a trivial amount. Brave Rewards can be a convenient way to donate to websites and YouTubers who have been Brave verified, but otherwise it's basically just Chrome with Tor. I remember hearing somewhere that Brave's built-in Tor browser was not secure but idk the details about that. Brave is not good for privacy. Use LibreWolf or something similar if you need something that respects your privacy.

Oh no, I didn't know there was a culture war aspect to the Firefox vs Brave thing.

Someone rebutted to me that Obama didn’t support gay marriage either, and neither did Hillary Clinton.

uh oh

Re: privacy additions - I use it on iOS only for the shield toggle interface (ie I disabled the reward and vpn fluff.) Have disabled cookies. Brave user protections are as user friendly to operate as the DDG browser is obfuscated (as in DDG has one toggle called GPC, that does literally nothing.)

On desktop, Firefox built-in protection (third party cookies disabled, everything else as strict as possible) plus a few choice extensions is pretty nice.

So my two cents is that Brave is only worthwhile on iOS where you can't install browser extensions into Firefox...

Re: blockchain / human decency - I'm glad they're pushing on a complex surface that Google Contributor veered away from in horror as that builds awareness of a variety of issues, ie: I'm not sold on how they implemented / their website refuses to render anything without javascript running so that's a massive knock against them in my careless opinion. I wish librepay was as ubiquitous as patreon (stopped loading on my browser eventually due to some newly added and unknown required third party asset that I have no interest in troubleshooting...ask me what I think about google recaptcha.) The blood that lubricates the grindstone here is https://stripe.com/pricing#pricing-details which incidentally works perfectly without javascript

tl;dr: https://lemmy.ml/post/55603/comment/39186

For starters, brave is chromium. If you care about the open web at all, you should get firefox, end of discussion. It's also not particularly good at being private, especially considering that whenever chromium stops supporting manifestv2, brave will have to either support it themselves or use manifestv3. This is generally true of all features that enable privacy and are being eroded by google (see: cookies phaseout and ad profiles phase in, web integrity).

If you like the idea of crypto, I suggest you watch the YouTube essay "line goes up". If you're still interested in crypto beyond "the idea is cool, I guess" then I still suggest you get firefox and an appropriate crypto wallet extension. Last I checked the standard was metamask but it might have changed since.

Any youtuber you see talking about brave have been paid handsomely to tell you to use it. Do not fall for advertising, and exercise level-headed judgement.

Is the browser good? No, not really. Any and all of its demarcating features, you can get on all others with a few extensions.

Is it still a good idea to support it despites the ceo being a raging bigot? At this point why even do that (btw the Obama points do not stand here, because he is irrelevant to this conversation; this is textbook whataboutism).

Similarly, you could choose to pay J.k. Rowling for her books, and support a very vocal transphobe that has stated outright that she's using the money she makes to further her agenda, or you could buy and read better books, such as the discworld series. At this point choosing Harry Potter over a better series is choosing transphobia, and choosing brave over a better browser not made by a nutjob is choosing the nutjob's side.

Personally I don't care about the politics of every single person associated with every single project, because who has the time? Everyone picks their battles.

I use Brave mostly because it's the best normie Chrome variant and Firefox hates my main rig.

That said if you're switching only for the crypto, don't. BAT is a worthless token and everything else is accomplished just as well with metamask and ublock in Firefox. It's not the way into cryptocurrency.

Brave is working on their own search engine , I'm feeling excited.

Is your breadtube love Luke Smith? If so, he is a Brave shill that believes it is made by " Run by a based Christian and not furry leftists" and is quite the homophobe. https://web.archive.org/web/20210311201921/https://lukesmith.xyz/articles/brave