Definitely much healthier for the animals who aren't being murdered.
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I think the prevailing story right now is that meat isn't that great for you, especially red meat. I'm not a vegan but I respect the lifestyle.
I respect the lifestyle.
What could you possibly mean by that? Would you tell a bunch of abolitionists, "I respect what you are doing," and then go back to beating your personal slave? Genuinely, what are we supposed to take from that?
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So what you meant by that was essentially nothing. Empty words intended to validate something when you don't even know what that thing is. And I'm supposed to feel what, validation and gratitude?
I appreciate that you were trying to be nice, but in your ignorance, you instead said something offensive. I'll allow you an outburst and a bit of hypocritical name calling, but once you compose yourself, why not try to understand my point of view. I would love if you genuinely considered what you would say to an abolitionist as a slave owner. What could possibly be said that would be considered "nice"?
Are you trolling?
No. I am not. I am being quite literal and sincere, but you can't seem to wrap your head around that.
We are (literally) abolitionists. You are (barely metaphorically) a slave owner. We don't want your insincere validation. We don't want your disingenuous expressions of respect. We want you to stop treating individuals as property.
You're assuming way too much. Anyhow, I wish you well.
Veganism is often seen by outsiders as “a diet” or “a personal choice”. It is unwelcome to have such things projected over us when we see veganism as a moral philosophy and ethical practice that we undertake for the good of vulnerable individuals, not our own interests. When someone who exploits animals performatively expresses “respect” for what we are doing, it is typically a coping mechanism that they are using to deal with the moral judgement that they feel when exposed to veganism and vegans. No one wants to feel morally inferior, and these expressions of respect serve to allow the animal abuser to feel that they are in some way morally aligned or friendly to veganism. But they are not, and it feels really bad as a vegan to have someone trying to use us as a prop to manipulate their own conscience in a way that allows them to continue abusing animals without thought or concern.
I appreciate your engagement and trying to understand the disconnect. I’m not being glib or mean when I say we don’t want your respect and validation. It is something you need to understand if you want to keep engaging in vegan spaces without being unwelcome.
Someone doesn’t like their hypocrisy being challenged…
Are you talking about me? What's hypocritical about respecting vegans? Are you asking me to disrespect them instead?
Now you’re putting words in my mouth. I'm saying you should go vegan not just praise the ethical philosophy.
I respect vegans like I respect the LGBTQ community. I don't need to be gay to do that do I?
That is not same. As being vegan is a choice like how we don’t beat dogs.
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So you first start throwing insults when called out then resort to using a strawman and now you’re just promising to be a jerk showing that you have no principles in the first place when exposed to cognitive dissonance. You just want to waste lives, land and water for your selfish 15 seconds of pleasure.
Of course you fight so hard to remain an animal abuser instead of using that energy to solve real problems.
Dude, I was simply trying to be nice. You keep telling that I was wrong and hypocritical. That my ignorance makes me a bad person. I don't understand you guys.
I followed through this thread and as a Vegan , I apologize for the nonsense you just dealt with. We aren't all rude like this. Vegans should be embracing those that understand it is a worthy cause--even if those people aren't going to switch--because it shows society is growing aware of issues, and a better future in next generations
I was, and still am very ignorant about this topic. I actually am interested in cutting out meats and dairy. I don't actually find the health issue of eating meat to be healthy a convincing argument.
It seems the general consensus is Westerners over consume meat. And the Mediterranean style eating is healthier. And there are entire cultures that are various forms of vegan/vegetarian. But we also have to look at Mediterranean lifestyle too, besides lower meat intake, they may walk alot, and consume smaller portions. It all works together to maintain a healthy body.
Ignorance doesn't make you a bad person. I don't think you are a bad person. But I think your ignorance allows you to hurt, torture, and murder individuals, even when you are trying to be "nice". If you would like to be less ignorant and gain the capacity not to hurt individuals, I recommend that you watch Dominion.