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[–] [email protected] 149 points 1 month ago

German car brands

[–] [email protected] 81 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

Ford was a literal Nazi sympathiser as well. I don't think there's an 'ethical' car you can buy.

[–] [email protected] 114 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Ford died in 1947. He's not currently overthrowing democracy.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's what he wants us to think.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The next election will likely be between Ford and Disney's reanimated corpses.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Futurama head jars

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

That’s a porno I’d watch.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Not for lack of trying!

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Private cars in general are pretty bad for the environment, I'd say. The ethical car is the train ticket.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Me, in the west US: the what what

(e: in the butt)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Ford was a messed up dude. He’s really idolized as an industrialist, but he was a control freak with possible other psych issues. Undermined his son, Edsel at many opportunities because he was a control freak. On top of his anti-semitic, pro-NAZI, anti-union antics.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 month ago (1 children)

At least one of them had the decency to die a long time ago

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Bring back Luigi!

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Part Jewish here, yes the Nazi sympathizing was awful. But at the same time, he spearheaded massive improvements for workers.

Does that make up for supporting Nazis? No. But most people are some mix of good and bad

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (3 children)

When I was 15 I read a book that said Hitler couldn’t be completely evil cause he improved the lives of the German people. I’d just rather not have had all the bad shit he did.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There's no such thing as completely evil, that's fairytale shit. Every bad person in history was a complete and complex human being with their own motivations. Hitler probably thought he was doing the right thing. That's a lot scarier than the "he was just evil" hand wave.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

"nothing scarier than a monster thinks he's right with God" -Malcolm Reynolds - Firefly.

And yes it's definitely much scarier

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Hitler did it at the expense of the Jews, gypsies, and others. Ford did it at the expense of the shareholder's profits, see the Dodge brothers

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Until he got the whole country bombarded, tons of them killed, and drove the country into the brink of economic collapse? Poor argument. If you're gonna say he did something worthwhile take off the fucking kid gloves and admit no matter how absolutely horrific a manner in which he did it, Nazi experiments advanced knowledge of medicine and anatomy.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Why would I defend the guy when I think he was a prick?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I wasn't saying you were defending him. I was talking about whatever dumb ass wrote the book you read.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Oh, ok. I can’t remember. It was 23 or so years ago, and a Catholic school, so moulding us to a certain viewpoint.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

No worries, I was thoroughly indoctrinated as well.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Those experiments didn’t advance a thing. That’s a myth. They had no scientific rigor. Nothing was gained from that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Many of them yes, but not all.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Could you point me to the ones that did?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

To be fair, not all of the advancements were intentional. Much of modern medical ethics are based entirely on the fucked up shit Nazis did. Off the top of my head though they proved a lot of shit didn't work and invented a high power electron magnescope. I would have to circle back to fully remember everything.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Bought it used long, long after Ford had died and there's no obvious connections anymore.

Trying to compare the regular, everyday villainy of modern Ford Motor Company to Musk's cartoon super villainy seems like something a Tesla owner would say as a coping mechanism.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Cool your jets, hot rod. I thought it was a fun post to make. I specifically said I wasn’t simping. You’re in the shitposting community.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago

Cool your jets, hot rod

lol sure thing sport

You’re in the shitposting community.

seems more like the shitreplying community

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (2 children)

No joke, it's pretty much impossible to find a car by a manufacturer that didn't benefit from human rights abuses one way or another. Most European cars are from companies founded (or funded) by Nazi Germany or its axis friends. Same goes for Japanese cars. In the US, either the founder is a seething racist (like Ford and Tesla) or the company has been collaborating too much with the army (like Jeep). And don't get me started with China.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I really wonder how people like you get through life, is every purchase a moral dilemma?

Every German company made things for the Nazis, they were a total war economy, and Henry Ford is long dead.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Considering that I don't have a car, I've been boycotting most media and many brands for years, and I have no friends because nobody shares the same ethics as I do? Yeah every purchase is and should be a moral dilemma. (The proper solution is to drop society and go raise my own crops in the middle of the mountains, someday I'll save up to do just that)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

That sounds exhausting.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

My response to your Jeep point is based. I like my fucky pseudo military shit brick from the 90s.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Where ~~FOSS~~ FOSH alternative

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

The design, yes. Can't just download the materials, unfortunately.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

The Mitsubishi Torpedo Plant in Nagasaki, Japan was the secondary target of the atomic bombing on August 9, 1945. Just sayin'.

[–] phoenixz 4 points 1 month ago

If we're going to judge everything and everyone today on things that happened a hundred years ago, done by people who are only vaguely subject related then we're all guilty and we should all kill ourselves.

Let's just let history be history? Germans today aren't responsible for the Nazis anymore either, ffs.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

I think 'for sale' would get the point across 😅