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[–] j4k3@lemmy.world 108 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

HDMI is the proprietary monopoly scam. It is added to devices by the owning members of the scam. Display Port is the open source free equivalent standard that the educated consumer goes looking for.

[–] vext01@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Problem is, very few things output or input DP.

HDMI, for better or worse, seems to be ubiquitous.

[–] Sorse@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

A lot of laptops nowadays output video over usb c, in most cases they use DisplayPort alt mode, which as the name implies is just DisplayPort.

That doesn’t solve the issue of every x in 1 dongle only having HDMI or TVs only having HDMI inputs

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[–] Screen_Shatter@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Thank you, I did find myself thinking theres a reason why I have the DP cables for my PC monitors which don't seem to have an issue running high resolutions... But then I'm not running 8k on anything so I wasn't really sure about that

[–] ladicius@lemmy.world 72 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Got any of that juicy 8k content?

No? Because noone does and noone cares.

[–] joyjoy@lemm.ee 34 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There are 8K cameras, but the only reason to use them is to create stabilized 4K content.

[–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

They are also important for VR content. You need a lot of pixels to fill someone’s Field of View.

[–] thejml@lemm.ee 6 points 1 month ago

There are a few broadcast 8k channels in Japan and South Korea. There’s some YouTube 8k videos and 16k is being worked on. 8k is pretty awesome, though I really just want 8k screens for large PC monitors. I currently use a 4k 43” and 8k would be even better at that distance. Both Samsung and Sony have 8k screens for sale right now and they’re not really that crazy expensive for cutting edge. (75” Samsung 8k QLED for $3k)

[–] caseyweederman 68 points 1 month ago (6 children)

My next TV purchase will be based on which models have Display Port.

...And which don't have smart features, but that's a given.

[–] ryan213 40 points 1 month ago (2 children)

That's going to be harder and harder to find.

[–] caseyweederman 36 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The transformation into crochety old man is complete. This AI being shoehorned into everything can get off my damn lawn too.

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[–] pHr34kY@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I got a new Android TV for offline use. Most people say you get an OK experience if you don't connect the TV into a network.

The biggest remaining annoyance is that it takes 45 seconds to cold-start. Almost as if it's booting an OS desgined for a phone or something.

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[–] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's just a commercial display. Most commercial displays don't have an OS and require a separate device for showing video like an Nvidia Shield, PC, etc.

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[–] sxan@midwest.social 8 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Is DVI completely out of the picture? I hate the connector, but I've had a lot of issues with DP, mainly around Linux support and multi-monitor setups.

I was kinda hoping USB-C/4/Thunderbolt would step into this space and normalize chaining and small connectors, but all of those monitors are stupidly expensive.

[–] caseyweederman 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The only problems I've had with DP are when I have to put it through an adapter to turn it into HDMI for a display that didn't have DP input.

Video over USB-C just ends up being Display Port, doesn't it? I guess it depends on the subtype of USB.

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[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 51 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I haven't even gotten on the 4k bandwagon yet. I fully expected to by now, but then again, my eyes aren't getting any better and 1080p content still looks... fine.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I have a 4k TV. I don't think I've ever actually watched something on it in 4k because finding the content isn't worth the effort.

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I have to filter out all the 4K feeds I get on Kodi because I can't play them. I sure haven't seen a shortage of them. Now whether they play at an actual 4K would be the question, but they've been there for years.

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[–] Cratermaker@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

A few weeks ago I watched Ladyhawk on a 13" TV with a built in VHS player. I realized that my brain didn't care about the quality as soon as I started paying attention to the content. I still like my 1080p but there's definitely massively diminishing returns after that.

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[–] SmoothLiquidation@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

1080p is fine, but I really like the colors of HDR. I am NOT a fan of the higher refresh rate for movies though.

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[–] Toribor@corndog.social 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

1440p at 120Hz+ is superior to 4k 60Hz and is much more achievable for most hardware anyway. That's the sweet spot in my opinion.

For media 4k is a pretty big upgrade from 1080p though.

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[–] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 39 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I couldn't care less about 8k since I can't even see streaming 4k content without using a platform infested with DRM.

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[–] tabular@lemmy.world 37 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I don't want Digital Restrictions Management in my cables.

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago

Until Elon can install it into your occipital cortex, this will have to do.

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[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 35 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Just for the record, the HDMI consortium can place their mouths on my genitals and consume my waste

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[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

The HDMI standard needs to declare cable bankruptcy and start over with a new port design. We all have way too many HDMI cables supporting 23 years of standards. There is nothing in the specification to clearly label, across brands, what type of hdmi specification is supported by the cable or port.

Also, the DRM baked into the specification is such bullshit.

[–] sxan@midwest.social 25 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Also, the DRM baked into the specification is such bullshit.

That's the one thing they have absolutely no interest in getting rid of. They'll change everything about the spec, including the connector, but that part's staying in.

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[–] garretble@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago (4 children)

"...whenever we have 8K TVs and content."

The TVs exist, but there won't be content for years and years. Companies barely stream usable 4K right now.

[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Because the bitrate over streaming is garbage. Get physical media if you want good 4k.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 10 points 1 month ago (8 children)

This is a genuine question but—what physical media? Blu-ray players are no longer being produced by name brands, and DVDs certainly aren't capable of storing the data.

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[–] gerbler@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago (2 children)

A buddy of mine worked in a theatre and told me that the film's were all 1080P. I called bullshit. Those screens were huge they were clearly 4K. He showed me the reel and yup he was right.

If theatres don't even bother with 4K, your TV doesn't need 8K.

[–] JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Actual film doesn't work like that (35mm or 70mm IMAX for example), but you are correct that most cinemas these days are digital and they use "1080p" (more accurately DCI 2K which is 2048×1080 when the aspect ratio is 1.90:1). There are a few that do 4K, but overall not that many.

The main reason that's enough for cinema though is that those "1080p" films are like 500GB with very little compression displayed through a DLP projector, so they look a heck of a lot better than showing a blu-ray through a massive TV with palm sized pixels.

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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah but you’ll want full gold plating and nitrogen-infused insulation for the best picture.

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[–] Jestzer@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Good thing the word Premium® is there to let me know it’s a high quality product!

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[–] ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

At what point do we just declare that the screens they try and sell are pushing for higher resolution than real life?

[–] BakedCatboy@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I believe 4K is already basically there. I have a 50" 4K (2160p) that I sit 9 feet away from and based on the Nvidia PPD calculator, that makes for 168ppd, and according to that page 150ppd is around the upper limit of human vision. Apple's "retina" displays target around 50-60ppd (varies based on assumed viewing distance), which is what most people seem to consider "average eye visual acuity". Imo 4K / 150ppd is more than enough.

[–] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

According to this calculator, my 65" 4k setup is around 100ppd.

I find that anything with a higher density than that (e.g. sitting further away, or replacing it with an 8k screen of same size) requires scaling up text and wasting a lot of pixels when rendering other things.

So yeah, I think 8k is a total waste if you're not targeting a much higher fov, at which point a curved screen would probably be better.

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[–] dan@upvote.au 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"Ultra96" sounds like it could have been a codename for the Nintendo 64.

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago

Or the GameCube...or an add-on to the N64.

The N64's codename was the Ultra 64 afterall!

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 month ago

One day I might care about 4k, but it hasn't happened yet. So I really can't muster a shit to give about 8k.

[–] baatliwala@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I doubt the general public cares about or can even tell the difference from 4k to 8k. Not to mention the amount of bandwidth that will be required.

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (3 children)

This exaxt comment could have been for 1080 to 4K. That said 4k has had a lot less fanfare to HD.

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[–] bokherif@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Great! Now they can sell my grandma an HDMI cable in 50 installments!

[–] M33@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 month ago

Meh. Wake me up when the HDMI consortium requires vibranium cables. Ending forever audio lag AND frame skip.

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago

"premium"? That's what they decided on? That's sure to age well and not be confusing at all...

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