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A landmark bill that would make the UK’s climate and environment targets legally binding seems doomed after government whips ordered Labour MPs to oppose it following a breakdown in negotiations.

Supporters of the climate and nature bill, introduced by the Liberal Democrat MP Roz Savage, say Labour insisted on the removal of clauses that would require the UK to meet the targets it agreed to at Cop and other international summits.

Although it is a private member’s bill, more than 80 Labour MPs, including several ministers, had publicly signed up to support it.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago

Red toreis can't help but show their true colours at every opportunity..

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago

For fucks sake...

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

In most cases due to the UK's electoral system this will result in the Conservative candidate winning

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This is why we need voting reform, and also why we probably won't get it

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

We had one in 2011... The electorate voted against it 2 to 1.

Wikipedia link.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah I remember that time very well. Unfortunately I don't think the campaign in favour of AV was handled very well, the opposition were able to just churn out lies and fear-mongering without having effective push back.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Perhaps instead of insisting society continue to repeat the same mistake over and over and over and over and over again by playing by the rules and within the framework set out and created for us by our oppressors to maintain their own power, try thinking outside of the box they've indoctrinated you in to?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

Any suggestions?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Labour are pursuing a growth model for the economy and now that other countries are starting to 'free' themselves from environmental comittments in favour of growth it would put the UK at a competitive disadvantage. I don't think much growth will happen though, so we'll be sacrificing the environment on a false errand. We're going to continue to invest in low or non-existant taxes for the wealthy and the financial industry and inequality and poverty are going to increase. Nobody will care about the environment because they will either be a) too poor or b) making too much money from exploiting it.

If Reform are smart enough to pivot to an 'eat the rich' attitude in a second Labour term I think they'll have it.

The Labour leadership thinks they've won a big mandate but all they have done is run a smart election strategy. They have aligned themselves with free market economics at probably the worst time history. They learnt from the Corbyn election campaigns but not from the Tories failure in office and I think they (and us) are going to pay for it big time.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That's everybody's excuse worldwide.

Once one started ignoring the rules, every other followed suit, because, "omg, unfair advantage". It's maddening.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah. Aka 'race to the bottom'...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

Good analysis.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago

This completely defeats the point of having a second political party

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

brexit was enough proof those islanders are nuts

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

However, talks stalled over Labour’s insistence at removing the parts of the bill that would make it legally binding for ministers to meet the targets

What does "legally binding" mean in this scenario? If ministers fail to meet goals they are able to be protected? That seems unlikely.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

What does ‘legally binding’ actually mean in practice? What penalties would be applied and to whom?