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I've been dual-booting Linux and Windows for a while, with Windows as the fall-back option in case I wanted to use Office for something. Now that they tried to trick me into paying a subscription for their AI slop machine, I'm finally, fully out. It was a pain to actually track down and back-up the stuff that was held for ransom in OneDrive, but now it is done.

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[–] [email protected] 101 points 5 days ago (3 children)

I feel like Windows tries with every change to push it's users to Linux.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Secret good guy MS - get everyone onto Linux and tank their stock price 😂

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I get how people need to use micro-shit for work but I don't get how a any freedom enjoyer is willing to use spyware on their own hardware

Just make the adjustment, deny the parasite engagement and profit.

Paying micro-shit anything is funding your oppressor. This is a class war, act like it folks

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 5 days ago (2 children)

They got me, installed Mint a couple of weeks ago

I purged the Windows partition yesterday, fellt like pouring bleach on a stain...

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 days ago

I killed my windows partition a week ago as well.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago

Let's goooo

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I feel like Windows tries with every change to push it’s users to Linux.

Even their core applications move to being web based.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago

We're already past that point, we're now at "cram copilot into everything, even if it makes no sense."

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

I recently moved my digital life away from google and microsoft. I previously had the following subscriptions:

  • ExpressVPN
  • Onedrive
  • Bitwarden
  • Office 365

And I had a gmail account, which I often used for SSO. I realized that, the total monthly cost of these subscriptions together was more expensive than a single Protonmail *family * subscription, so I cancelled them all, got the family subscription, and now my wife and her sister all have protonmail accounts as well as storage, a password manager, and VPN access. In the process of moving my logins to my protonmail account, so that I don't have to keep my ancient Facebook account around for signing into things like spotify anymore. Coupled this with moving to the federated internet from reddit and instagram

I also dropped office for libreoffice. MS Office provides dubious value over the free competition, especially with a SAAS model.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I was thinking to myself that I need to cancel mine. Then yesterday I got charged $127 for the yearly renewal.

I thought I was SOL but you can cancel and get most of the money back. So it's not too late to cancel and rid yourself of it.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 5 days ago (3 children)

At least they don't make you pay for cancelling like Adobe does

[–] [email protected] 27 points 5 days ago (1 children)

What stopped me initially from paying Adobe was the fact that they force you to use their Cloud app which served no purpose to me. A crack doesn't come with Cloud or at least a disabled one... Now that I know you have to pay to cancel, I'm pretty happy that Adobe stuff is easy to crack.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago

Cracked software still enables their dominance over the market.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago (2 children)

What? How much is it? Surely that can’t be illegal?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 days ago (2 children)

You have to pay if you want to stop a year's commitment early. Iirc you have to pay half of what you promised you would pay them over the year. So if you changed your mind it's cheaper to cancel than to continue paying for the months you have left.

If you sign a contract agreeing to their terms (and receive a discount in exchange) you have to follow them. The same goes for any other contract where you have a year's commitment like for an ISP. It's all pretty standard.

Is it annoying? Yeah obviously but they make it pretty damn clear when ordering that it's a year's commitment and that you receive a discount. Any reasonable individual should be able to figure out why you get a discount.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 5 days ago

Ooh it's an early termination fee. OP made it sound like there was a fee on top of the subscription cost. Which I guess still fits the definition.

Still scummy.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 5 days ago (3 children)

I have to wonder if anyone at Microsoft is paying attention. It’s like New Coke in the 80s. They quickly realized they fucked up and rebranded the original as Classic Coke. I’m wondering if there will be a Windows Classic coming out soon with no AI, no subscription, no forced cloud dependency bullshit. lol probably not but whatever.

Keeping with the soft drink analogy, I think Pepsi tried something similar in the 90s with Crystal Pepsi, which also failed miserably.

If “lime must go up” always, then they need to come up with a better way than product enshitification.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago (3 children)

New Coke was different in 2 important ways.

  1. It was actually a way to hide the flavor change in the switch to Corn Syrup instead of Sugar, and never intended to be permanent.

  2. Pepsi existed

There's no real commercial competition for Microsoft. Linux is great, but there's nobody for a business to call when shit fucks up. And Apple's walled garden and high prices make it terrible for enterprise.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago

The bill I paid for Suse support contact at an old company I worked for begs to differ. The problem is home or smb are a rounding error for MS. They already got your money from hp or Dell etc. When you bought your computer. Making you the product with the ad and the ai bullshit to swallow your data to train their models is all icing on the cake.

[–] CileTheSane 4 points 4 days ago
  1. People stopped consuming New Coke

As long as people do nothing other than complain and continue to use the product they have no reason to change.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago

As long as companies are eating that they will be ok. BUT, like most tech companies, at some point they will pull a broadcom and then the alternatives will thrive.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (17 children)

You should try OnlyOffice. It is very similar to MS Office and fully compatible with Microsoft formats. It has fully replaced MS Office for me for all office work. Also it can be easely integrated with your private NextCloud. You can install it from Flathub.

Edit: it also lets you edit and convert pdfs like Adobe Acrobat Pro

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Is this better than LibreOffice?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 days ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Why not both? It's simple to install both and decide for yourself. I use both for different tasks.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (7 children)

People usually refer to LibreOffice, so it is interesting that this alternative I never heard of before is allegedly better (it looks better that is for sure)

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children)

Same, Microsoft is about to force my laptop to update and I am about to own zero devices that run Windows.

There is no coming back either, which is what makes the schadenfeude of Microsoft (the dog) really actually catching the car this time so funny and satisfying.

I think it is going to make heads spin how fast the idea that Windows has unassailable hegemony in the desktop space becomes an antiquated idea. There is an asteroid in the sky, and the time of dinosaurs is over.

All the alarm bells should be going off at Microsoft hq and I know they probably feel like they are sitting pretty and feel nice and future proofed in their business plan, it is amazing and makes my heart sing.

Sorry not sorry you law breaking, monopoly chasing, morally bankrupt losers. You might be richer than I ever will be, but lets be honest, that is because I have standards about what I am willing to do for money.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 days ago

Cancelled mine too. Don’t particularly care about the AI. But I don’t need it and trying to justify increasing the price for it didn’t really work on me.

I’ve also gone all-in on Linux now. While I have a Mac, my gaming PC was left on Windows. Now it’s running Linux Mint and while gaming on Linux has a bit further to go, it’s night and day compared to 10 years ago. This time I feel like I can actually stick with it.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Welcome! Been like a year and a half for me, and I can't even imagine ever going back to Windows. Just using it for work is already too much.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I can feel the bloat when I use it now. Like you need to get from point a to b in a hallway. It's just you...and windows inflatable boat they fully inflated in the hallway between a and b. And you have to squeeze through to go to point b.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago

I can finally say that I'm making the move to Linux now, as I'm dual booting Fedora. I plan to try to do my regular browsing and activity on Fedora, while keeping my school work and what little gaming I do (laptop user) on Windows. Hell, once I get confident enough in my Linux skills, I'll probably move the school stuff over to Fedora too.

I'm doing it mostly cause I've read the privacy horror stories, but also because I just hated Windows 11. Like there's nothing about it that is worth staying for... The excessive resource use, random settings being changed that you have to dig to find, the shitty Co-Pilot ads, and the fact I won't be able to use office once I graduate... Yeah no.

Good thing is I'm a cyber student, so guess I'm just getting a head start for a easier grade in my future Linux class lol.

[–] ThePrivacyPolicy 16 points 5 days ago

Just cancelled my 365 the other day too. Been on Linux for half a year now and forgot I had it until the news of the copilot price increase came out and reminded me. I was happy I could cancel and be refunded the remainder of the term and get some money back in my pocket!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Going to dump it when the wife's done with school. I was only keeping it for that and one game. So sick of subscriptions and the product isn't even good except for Excel.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I mean, you have to use the heck out Excel to get into features that aren't in free projects like Libreoffice or OnlyOffice as well.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 days ago

The same thing happened with me. This was probably going to be my last year anyway, but i noped out real quick after the increase. Only reason I still had it was because I had some stuff in OneDrive that I was slowly backing up elsewhere. That just gave me the motivation to take care of it finally.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I've actually never even had office, just libreoffice

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Libre office is better too. MS builds so much bloat in it hampers functionality hard. I only use MS for work.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago (5 children)

What distro are you using, and how difficult was it for you to get started with it?

I'm currently making a list of distros and looking at each's pros and cons, including:

  • what did work out of the box?
  • what required more work to fix / workaround?
[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago

The way to go about this is to just download Linux Mint and begin using it. No additional overthinking is necessary. You'll be able to get Steam working pretty easy, if that's your thing. Internet bowsers and a word processor are already installed and working out of the box.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago (8 children)

my unsolicited 2c is to checkout mint

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

I started trying out Linux a few years ago, on a few different computers. Well first, a really long time ago, but I was a Mac user for a long time, and then switched to Windows in 2018, so my modern Linux experience started in 2021 or so.

On my home PC I started with Mint, but because I was doing some programming, ran into problems because the compilers and CMake there were too old to compile a few things I needed to work on (CUDA was the problem for CMake, C++20 was the problem for the compilers). Switched to Tumbleweed, was happy with that for a while.

Meanwhile, on my laptop, I switched from Manjaro to Fedora KDE spin after some stability problems, and was so pleasantly surprised by how it was both solid and up-to-date, that I ended up moving everything to that.

Edit: biggest problem I had was when I tried to install Mint on an office PC that I built for myself. Mint didn't support the on-board ethernet so I had no way of getting it online, and after getting lost in forum posts, gave up.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago

Yes, even though I did not have a subscription, watching them do stuff like this every 2 weeks for the last year or more is what finally pushed me off to Linux as well. I got my parents moved over as well though, and they did have a subscription previously.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago

Deleted my Microsoft account yesterday!

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