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Enshittification

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What is enshittification?

The phenomenon of online platforms gradually degrading the quality of their services, often by promoting advertisements and sponsored content, in order to increase profits. (Cory Doctorow, 2022, extracted from Wikitionary) source

The lifecycle of Big Internet

We discuss how predatory big tech platforms live and die by luring people in and then decaying for profit.

Embrace, extend and extinguish

We also discuss how naturally open technologies like the Fediverse can be susceptible to corporate takeovers, rugpulls and subsequent enshittification.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 6 days ago (2 children)

They dropped the ball by not mentioning Facebook/Instagram, which started out as a place to catch up with people one knew and then bait-and-switched to a slot machine that will show you some random updates from some of them in between all the ads and inspirational AI pink-slime, and maybe let some of them see what you post if you work hard enough at grustling up your clout and feeding the zuckerbots with plenty of juicy psychometric data.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 6 days ago

Facebook started out as Zuckerberg and his twin buddies creeping on Harvard women. Then it deshittified. Then it enshittified again.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Lol do people even still use Facebook tho? Instagram i could see but almost 50% of all fb posts are AI bots. The other 50% i assume only goes on if they get a divorce amd need take it fb official. Plus, the AI isn't what killed FB either. People have been leaving in mass for almost a decade now. It was the whole stealing the data of children that turned most people off to it. Idk thats just my take and you should take it with a grain of salt as I haven't had fb in over 10 years now lol.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago

Every text my wife receives from her sister sounds and looks like an instagram post. At this point I wouldn’t be surprised if everyone that uses it is just posting out of habit and the zuckerbots respond with reactions and comments.

I haven’t made a post on any of that slop in yeah, probably 10 years but every time I’ve had the misfortune of being forced to use it for any reason it definitely doesn’t feel like a place I’d ever want to put any information on.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yes. Millions of people still use Facebook. Most of them are older, but they still use it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That doesn't prove shit lol. You could have 5 million active users and that's still only 1.6% of the US 50 million being 16%. I wouldn't say that is a ton of people using it. Especially with reports showing 50% of all posts are done by bots. Seriously that's such a useless metric "millions" hahah OK so 2 million or 999,999,999 people use it🤣

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You asked if people still used Facebook. The answer is yes. Do you really think that it has a human user base of zero?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Fuck me you are dense. Cool story bro there are humans on fb.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Your literal words:

Lol do people even still use Facebook tho?

I answered your question and you decide to insult me over it. What the fuck? Why did you even ask? Because you wanted to get into a fight?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Sorry should of labeled it rhetorical for the dim witted to understand lol. You honestly thought that was a literal question? You should look into vasectomy or tube's tied so you dont procreate your family tree into a group home.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago

So the answer is yes, you just wanted to fight with someone. Not going to indulge that sort of Reddit behavior, sorry.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Marketplace is good where I live. And there's one Simpsons Meme page I check every now and then. Honestly if you're after Australian Cricket Simpsons Memes there's nowhere better.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

I agree market place is the last remaining reason to have fb.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I honestly do not get John Timmer's problems with PDFs.

It seems more like their issue is that they don't have much use for them.

If I want to quickly send someone a document that has a combination of images and text or one that I just want formatted accurately no matter where it's viewed, what's a better option?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I think it's specifically about copying text from PDFs, which seems to have gotten harder and harder as time went on

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I have not found it to be a challenge. There are so many FOSS PDF readers that also do OCR.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

That's what they are saying too (although Apple's, not FOSS), as directly copying text is getting obscure, to the point where OCR makes it easier than trying to directly copy text

[–] [email protected] -2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Right, so you use a PDF reader with OCR. I just don't see how that is enshittification of the PDF format.

There still is not a better option I can think of than PDF for many applications, and I also rarely have a problem copying text from a PDF unless you're talking something like a scan of an old book.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago

He’s not talking about bad ocr or pdfs being bad in principle, he’s talking about all the drm bullshit in pdfs now that prevent working with them simply as they used to work back in the day. Things like disabling highlighting and copy paste and breaking compatibility with different pdf renderers.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 days ago

Haha, they are missing a lot.

How about platforms that organised car shares, love interests, stay overs, everything we thought the internet was going to help us with. It’s been completely colonised. We have to organise

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago

No mention of phones becoming shittier with every new release of iphones, because everyone else decided to just copy Apple? Removing physical keyboards (I'll die on this hill), removing headphone jacks, flimsy as fuck, gluing the fucking back cover to make repairs even harder

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

voice assistants have always been shit though. I've never been able to do anything faster by voice than by just typing/swiping

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

The only thing i missed is setting an alarm/timer and doing calculation.