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In the past week or so, the courts have begun to try to set some boundaries on the Musk–Miller–Trump administration’s early blitz of recklessness.

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This judicial review provides at least a small reprieve, hope that some of the administration’s most destructive impulses will be stopped. Or at least pared back. But even with the courts stepping up, and even with the reality of the administration’s ineptitude sinking in, this early Musk–Miller–Trump blitz remains very—maybe irreparably—damaging. Of course, there are a lot of moles to whack: the U.S. Agency for International Development and the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau are being dismantled at an alarming rate, and the court system is not known for being nimble. The administration is betting, perhaps rightly, that at least some of its thoughtless, lawless efforts will slip through the cracks.

But even if the courts caught them all—and even if every court facing each lawless escapade said, “Nope, that’s not a thing”—still the entire process would be doing serious damage to our institutions. Think of it as someone spoofing your identity and going on a shopping spree with your credit cards. Even if the goon gets caught, you still have to go store by store to argue that the fraudulent purchase wasn’t legitimate and hope the debt is forgiven. And all the while, perhaps long after all the debts are dealt with, the torrent of uncertainty kills your credit score.

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[–] [email protected] 117 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

To add more context - I’m a federal employee who has received these Fork emails -

They always come out at night, usually ~ 8-9 pm Eastern. One came out on a Sunday night. So you show up for work the next morning and that’s what’s waiting for you. I’m convinced this is done on purpose, to fuck with us.

As Vought (perfect Bond villain name, right?) said:

“Put Them In Trauma”

They literally want to traumatize us. They hate us because for decades we’ve been the only ones to tell them no. No, Elon, you can’t fuck all kinds of shit up when you launch a spaceship. No, Elon, you can’t make the stock market go haywire because you were high and tweeted something stupid. No, Elon, you can’t make a deal with the Pentagon and then run to Putin and do something completely different.

Elon does not like to be told no, but Elon can’t go 5 minutes without acting like the entitled dipshit that he is, so here we are.

And so, ~ 2.5 million civil servants - scientists, healthcare researchers, USAID, engineers, doctors, etc etc, will feel his wrath because he can’t be told no.

I took a big pay cut for this job because I valued job security over money after growing up in a household where jobs were not guaranteed and my parents struggled. Finally I got there after trying for years, and now Elon has to throw a shit fit.

But it’s not about me - I’ll be ok, but many others won’t. And we won’t get it back without a lot of work, work that I’m not sure that we, as a country, are going to be willing to do. The brain drain and decades of knowledge capture will be lost forever. And that’s by design - now we can all go work for contractors with fewer benefits and no job security and help Elon to make even more money.

One of the Fork emails taunted us by saying that we should be happy to leave our low productivity jobs in government so that we could go work high productivity jobs in the private sector. (So funny!) I know that’s bullshit, but also I’m old enough to not let 4chan incels trigger me that easily.

I do worry about my younger/newer coworkers though, whose heads are spinning. So, I try to help them. I’m educating them about the union and hopefully giving them the tools to get through this and deal with what comes after in the best way possible, whatever that may be.

So the next time you have to go to some annoying government place with a long line and you’re tired and hungry and frustrated, please try to remember that whoever you end up coming face to face with may have just gotten another email trolling them and telling them what a piece of shit they are and they should resign from their jobs. Just give them some grace. Be kind.

[–] [email protected] 156 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Not personally and directly, no, but broadly, yes - I do know the irreversible damage they're doing.

And here's the real key to it all - none of it is accidental. The damage is the point.

Their goal is actually very simple - it's to utterly destroy every aspect of the government that benefits the common people or inconveniences the wealthiest few, in order to convert it explicitly and entirely into a mechanism for protecting and expanding the privilege of the wealthiest few at the expense of everyone else.

[–] [email protected] 80 points 2 days ago (16 children)

And they announced it and fully laid out a plan ahead of time. This should come as a surprise to no one who is literate.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It burns my ass that some folks actually bought the whole "Trump doesn't support Project 2025" bullshit. I cannot imagine being such a gullible, credulous moron.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 days ago (16 children)

We know. What we don't know is why are all civil servants just rolling over, instead of applying simple sabotage.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

It's easy to volunteer other people, but these are civil servants who inherently believe in the rule of law by default. That programming in itself makes it hard to go against this lifelong belief in doing things by the book.

I hope they can do what they can to resist, but I also don't believe this is on them either. If the former President in a position of power couldn't put the brakes on this shit; if we as a society couldn't put the brakes on this on November 5th... Well, my expectations are very low. Things will have to come crashing down hard until the apathetic and ignorant wake up, I suspect.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 days ago (1 children)

but these are civil servants who inherently believe in the rule of law by default. That programming in itself makes it hard to go against this lifelong belief in doing things by the book.

Most simple sabotage is doing things EXACTLY by the book... Civil servants often take shortcuts to expedite things. They should take ZERO shortcuts.

Elon toadie asks for a set of creds. Demand Toadie get all appropriate forms completed, first, and then demand documented procedure for obtaining those creds are followed TO THE LETTER. No rush jobs. No prodding the ticket holder for updates. Just exactly like the book says to do it.

Just an example.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This is called "work to rule" and it is one of the most classic kinds of industrial action, pretty much one step short of a strike.

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[–] [email protected] 87 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Working as a federal employee comes with a set of golden handcuffs. You trade in a decent salary for retirement at the end. Firing people, or even asking them to leave for less than 10 months salary (maybe) is a huge Fuck You to those who have already sacrificed years of time. When you started your career- you couldn’t possibly predict something like a Trump train coming along to piss all over your life’s plans.

Who the fuck, with any level of competence, would ever want to apply for a federal position after seeing this shit show?

[–] [email protected] 57 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Who the fuck, with any level of competence, would ever want to apply for a federal position after seeing this shit show?

That's the point. Musk et. al. are foreign assets with orders to weaken NATO and the US at all costs. They are successfully accomplishing their orders. And once the US's economy has spiraled and collapsed, the USD will no longer be a trusted currency used for global trade. Then it's BRIC's time to shine. That's their dream, at least.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ya know how about 2/3rds of the internet population is now on at least 1 watchlist because of supporting Mangione. The second we start seeing vulnerable citizens having their medicare/medicaid/food stamps/gov housing/anything I missed that our taxes pay for to keep people from dying in a ditch during a snow storm/benefits actually cut. You know, like the second 2 small children citizens freeze to death because of funding cuts while the rich refuse to pay their fair share. I say we all, in unison, do something so illegal it requires a legal response, but since so many of us are doing it they won't be able to pick out anyone to single out for certain so we can all keep doing it as they freak out and go after whomever they feel is vulnerable. Like who's the one person it's illegal to threaten to kill? What would happen if 75million of us did it at 2:30 on a Friday afternoon? Pure, unadulterated chaos. Just if some kind of "threat protest" were to take place because of small children dying while rich fucks slept in late, and now a bill for more benefit cuts is being considered, you yourself should absolutely be prepared to be targeted as a ring leader because they will target the weakest and try to use them as a scape goat, I can almost guarantee the current Reich's SS wouldn't have the balls to knock on the door of someone that lifts 80lbs of dry cement with 1 hand and is documented as "should already be dead we don't know what the fuck." I could be wrong, and if I am, nothing would make me happier than sum small nut little man that everyone thinks is a badass finally going toe to toe with me... But I have no doubt they would pick on a highschooler, or housewife, or a software engineer. So be ware of how they view you before you stand up bravely, you don't want to be the reason the cement beast goes on a rampage, you want to live to see the cement beast go on a rampage. Also, I'm not advocating for any actions at 2:30 on a Friday afternoon, but at the rate they are looking to "slash" benefits for the average Citizen, and frankly I've had everything taken from me already, I'm not on government benefits but my family is, and I'm done having everything taken. I'm Jim Carrey and this is fun with Dick and Jane - "I got the lawn back". Take again, and I will take whatever I can, and I've already seen how your little Piggy's cow toe for me. I would too if I was weak like them.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Let's all stop paying federal taxes

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Doing only that would just give them more fodder to complain about a deficit. Mass violent resistance is just an excuse for crackdowns and martial law.

One interesting and simple idea I've seen is just opting out of the consumer economy. Americans in any socioeconomic strata can just stop buying anything but the bare minimum.

General strikes are effective but hard to coordinate and maintain, most people can't risk skipping a paycheck. But anyone can switch to beans and rice, cancel subscriptions, learn to repair their own clothes, buy a phone second hand, etc... Since a massive portion of our economy is driven by that spending (68% of our GDP) it would definitely hurt, but they couldn't ignore it.

It's easy to do and doesn't have an outsized impact on poor or at risk groups, and it's not all or nothing so any way you can cut helps. I wonder how they'd react to 200 million people on an economic hunger strike...

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Did he really get rid of remote work for no reason?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

for no reason

Reason: Attrition

You don't have to fire them if they quit.

You gut those departments and put the money into things that benefit tax cuts on the rich, or you hire friends and loyalists into those seats and pay them all the money to do nothing.

It's a gift, Everything they're doing is a different length of gift to make the rich richer.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

Yup.

Americans literally just voted to gut what was left of the middle class.

Super, almost unbelievably, stupid society we live in.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (2 children)

To get people to quit, they've just started firing large swathes of people now though.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 2 days ago (2 children)

What's annoying is the US cable/social media incessantly jumps right to the Trump/Musk framing of things.

The US AID shutdown has led to food aid stuck at ports as populations that rely on it starve.

A report on Monday from Paul Martin, the USAid inspector general, found that close to half a billion dollars’ worth of food was rotting because of confusion surrounding Mr Trump’s freeze last month.

How many americans have heard about the consequences of Trump's actions? 1%? How many have heard about Elon's vague and baseless claims that US AID is a big fraud? It seems every Republican I know has heard that.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It's crazy how bad it's going to get in the next few months. I work for a branch in the fed that's almost all remote work, about 10 out of 150 or so are in person including myself. I know I'll be safe, but my team? Section? Branch? All screwed. Then what's left, for me to be swallowed by a RIF? The deal was tempting because of the threat behind your inaction likely not mattering.

Hoping it cools off soon. It's hard to sleep lately.

It double sucks because I just got my spouse into a federal job (she got herself in, but I provided her resources, resume building, etc, of course.) But now since she's considered probationary and a temporary hire? She might be let go and swallowed into regret.

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